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How fast did you transition to ZC/Carnivore and did you have any severe side effects?

more than a month - no
3 (18.8%)
more than a month - yes
4 (25%)
between a week and a month - no
3 (18.8%)
between a week and a month  - yes
0 (0%)
less than a week - no
4 (25%)
less than a week - yes
2 (12.5%)

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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2009, 10:16:12 am »
Well if you weren't eating many carbs to begin with, it sounds like you did a gradual transition that lasted more than a month. Since you had no negative symptoms, that would put you in the "more than a month - no" category.

A rapid transition would be going from eating moderate to high carbs to eating very few or none in less than a week. The poll is trying to determine what factors might minimize the negative symptoms of ketosis that some experience. It seems like the faster the transition and the more dramatic the change, the more likelihood there will be ketosis symptoms as the body tries to rapidly change over to using fats as fuel.
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 01:56:54 am »
I think you have to define transition in a more narrow sense. I think you will find, especially as the person gets older, is that the complete transitioning effects of the diet will take place over a number of years. Yes, the worst symptoms will occur during the first week or so with very few people experiencing anything too substantial after a couple months. Ive read seemingly hundreds of experiences from the zc board and have yet to see anyone have any real long term complaints if theyve stuck with the protocol long enough. Quite a few have not reached their goal weight or have stalled but nearly all feel substantially better which is all that matters.  I think cramping is about the only intermediate-term issue that quite a few "suffer" through.

Unfortunately its way too early to tell how long transitioning will take place. Who knows 5-10 years down the line, the overall health of zc'ers might start to decline and a transitioning downward might happen. Not that I think this will happen but its still a possibility. As for me I went vlc with most days being zc after reading GCBC with no memorable negative effects. I started feeling the difference. in a very positive manner, almost immediately. I went zc for a couple months straight and felt the same as vlc. I tend to agree with a poster above that if you do want to eat vegetation its best to do it in the summer time.

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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2009, 07:29:26 am »
I think you have to define transition in a more narrow sense. I think you will find, especially as the person gets older, is that the complete transitioning effects of the diet will take place over a number of years.
Thanks for the input, but for the purposes of this poll, I'm not getting into side effects that disappear years later or don't appear until years later. If you want to make that poll, you are welcome to. I'm mainly focusing on the things that make people quit ZC or carnivore or VLC within the first month or so. Most people don't seem to want to wait years for problems to disappear, and I can't blame them.

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I tend to agree with a poster above that if you do want to eat vegetation its best to do it in the summer time.
Yes, me too. One reason is that carbs seem to make me feel colder, whereas fats tend to have the opposite effect. Though, strangely, fats don't seem to make me overhot on hot days, even though they help me feel warmer on cold days--I don't understand that one. I think Lex touched on this, maybe he can explain it. Even among SAD dieters there is a folk tradition of eating bone marrow soups in the winter to warm up. I used to think it was just because of the hot temperature of the soup, but now I suspect that the fat is another element in the warming.
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 11:52:51 am »
We could use at least a couple more responses to make the poll more useful. As I mentioned, I'm not talking about absolute zero carb or 100% pure carnivore. So if you transitioned to below 5% carbs or plants, I think your experience is still useful.

At this point, these are the results:
more than a month - no     - 2 (33.3%)
more than a month - yes    - 1 (16.7%)
between a week and a month - no    - 1 (16.7%)
between a week and a month  - yes    - 0 (0%)
less than a week - no    - 0 (0%)
less than a week - yes    - 2 (33.3%)
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 12:44:29 pm »
The reason why I tried diet was because of severe cystic acne, which began clearing straight away. I didn't notice any side effects because I wasn't looking or focusing on them, the mirror was my guide. IMO many people probably imagine side effects to some degree. What should I even have been looking out for? What does 'feeling bad' mean? When I ate a typical teenager diet I never felt 'bad' and was very rarely sick as in being confined to a bed but despite this obviously had some severe health issues.

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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2009, 07:27:21 pm »
If you didn't notice the side effects, then that would make your response to that part of the question: "no" (no severe side effects). The purpose of this thread is not to question whether people really had severe side effects, just to record their reporting of them. By severe I mean bad enough to quit ZC/carnivore due to concerns about seriously damage to health or because it made the diet WAY too nasty (not lesser reasons like loss of willpower or inconvenience, etc.). One example given was chronic heart palpitations that didn't resolve with teeth rotting, severe anxiety, and/or severe paranoia. I would think that teeth rotting on its own would be enough.
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2009, 01:23:12 am »
I had been eating lower carb due to numerous food allergies for a couple years (I'm also convinced there was/is a fairly well rooted Candida issue).
At some point I switched to a fairly pure meat diet (chicken thighs usually with the occasional beef). I never had a chance to start burning ketones though as the calorie content from fat of my meals was probably only 50% and there were almost weekly indulgements in one carb or another in attempts to find something my body would/could handle.
I switched to all meat (cooked rare/bleu) a month ago and have eaten everything rare for close to two weeks now.

Even on my stepped transition as it were (I don't know if you could call it cold turkey as I was mostly low carb before this last step) I've still had some problems.
At first I was mentally alert and had lots of energy. Over the next few days my energy levels began to fall followed by 2-3 days of mental fogginess and attention issues. I've only now begun to start feeling "right" and I can tell I will feel even better over the next week or two. My daily morning jogs went from ~10min/miles to 6 or 7min/miles, to 10 or 12 min/miles, back to 8min/miles this morning. I even missed Monday morning because I felt like someone beat me with a bat overnight. Once I get warmed up though my endurance has been getting better the whole time.
The only stomach problems I've encountered were loose stools in the beginning from eating lots of fat. I got nausea as well. I'm tolerating it much better now. I got this from both raw suet & marrow as well as marrow bones warmed up in the oven or on the grill (first couple weeks). This too seems to be clearing up this week.
No issues with my teeth but my breath is rough (ketones I assume, I can smell the change in my urine as well).
I had been a bit more easily aggravated for a week or two but now seem to be fine (if not a bit more mellow). No paranoia or anxiety.
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2009, 05:49:10 am »
OK, that sounds like moderate, rather than severe symptoms. So unless your symptoms get bad enough to quit, or to where the only reason you continue is because you are extremely committed, then I would say you fall in the "no" category. It's not scientific, I know. Just trying to get a sense of any correlations that might help future newbies. If a slower transition seems to correlate with much lower likelihood of severe symptoms and of quitting, then that might be something we could suggest to those who are determined to try ZC/carnivore.

Right now the numbers don't appear to support that, so we may need to look elsewhere for clues why some people get severe symptoms and some get only benefits. Fat levels is something that was also suggested.
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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 11:20:35 am »
It was very easy for me. I went from VVLC vegetarian (under 20gm. carb / day) to ZC. I love it. No problems at all. Energy is fantastic, particularly since doing raw ZC.  Since doing raw ZC plus Warrior Diet (one large nightly meal), I have gotten leaner in the abdominals / waist and put on more muscle. I could not be happier.

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Re: How did you transition to ZC/Carnivore?
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2010, 03:04:56 pm »
I have made several attempts to ZC. Before them, I was lowcarbs, with some short high carbs (fruits) episodes.

I started a high fat diet (rawpaleo version of homo Optimus) 5 years ago and I quitted after a few months because the symptoms were unbearable (high pulse, cramps, blurred vision, pain, etc.)
year 2008, I did a 5 months carnivorous attempt but I stopped for the same reasons.
I started again ZC january 2008. I reintroduced some veggies recently, so now VLC, but the symptoms are still here. I simply eat less fat to reduce them, but in consequence I have not enough energy and I have lost lots of weight.

I don't know what to do next because I have tried everything I could think of. Carbs I can find are toxic for me.
It looks like my body needs more fat, but doesn't know what to do with all this lipid flooding my blood?