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Author Topic: High-Meat-Recipe Preparation For More Advanced RAFers  (Read 15610 times)
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 04:39:00 AM »




It'd probably be better to use lean as animal fat doesn't seem to ever rot. I've had suet in the fridge for lengthy times and the meat on it will get high but the fat stays the same.
Thats weird, my suet turns green in about 3 days,Is the meat on your suet from kidneys  Craig?
My suet comes with traces of kidney on it. No actual muscle meat.
I freeze most of my suet straight away because of this.
Muscle meat left in my fridge will last 7+ days.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 04:53:42 AM »

Thats weird, my suet turns green in about 3 days,Is the meat on your suet from kidneys  Craig?
My suet comes with traces of kidney on it. No actual muscle meat.
I freeze most of my suet straight away because of this.
Muscle meat left in my fridge will last 7+ days.

I think it's kidney suet. Not 100% sure. It does have some traces of tissue attached. When I cut it into pieces, I've noticed the fat with little tissue will last almost forever in the fridge without stinking the whole place up though it does stink a wee bit. I attributed that to the small amounts of connective tissue that holds the fat chunks together.  If I leave the whole chunk in there, with pieces of tissue, it gets very smelly and high after a while.
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 06:05:24 AM »

High meat by Aajonus:

"Place 1 volume pint of raw meat, chopped into bite sized pieces, into a glass quart jar: equal air and meat space. Place Ball jar lid on jar tightly and place in refrigerator. I suggest three jars be prepared; one with raw meat, one with natural raw fowl and one with ocean wild caught raw fish. Every 3-4 days take the jar outdoors, completely remove lids and wave the jars in the air to exchange the air inside the jars. Return lids to jars, tighten and return to refrigeration. After 4 weeks, you may begin to eat one marble sized piece once or twice every week. There are approximately 17 stages of bacterial developments. Airing the meat is required to progress the bacteria through the stages....."

I would only add ENJOY!

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 08:48:23 PM »

Is there a real difference between high meat made from frozen or fresh meat besides flavor?
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 03:51:38 AM »

Is there a real difference between high meat made from frozen or fresh meat besides flavor?

I've tried using frozen meat as a starter for high-meat and it just didn't seem to work.
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 05:25:23 AM »

I've tried using frozen meat as a starter for high-meat and it just didn't seem to work.

Well what do you mean by that?
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2008, 08:47:30 AM »

Well what do you mean by that?

I can't remember exactly. This was years ago, when I first started to experiment with high-meat. It just didn't seem to provide the same benefits re boosted concentration/energy-levels etc. as "normal" high-meat. Try it, anyway, if you feel like it.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 05:15:42 PM »

I use mason jars and bison heart. Chunk up the heart and fill the jar half full. I leave mine on the bench and air it out once a day (although i forget to some days). If you're worried about fly eggs (which i havent had a problem with yet) then put some wax paper or something elastic banded around the lid. It only takes a few days and its starting to get pretty high. I like this way because i (a) dont have a fridge (b) it only takes a few days instead of a month.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2009, 07:02:09 PM »

I use mason jars and bison heart. Chunk up the heart and fill the jar half full. I leave mine on the bench and air it out once a day (although i forget to some days). If you're worried about fly eggs (which i havent had a problem with yet) then put some wax paper or something elastic banded around the lid. It only takes a few days and its starting to get pretty high. I like this way because i (a) dont have a fridge (b) it only takes a few days instead of a month.
after seeing this i thought i'd give it a try. i used the same exact proceder: cut up bison heart and put it in a mason jar outside the fridge. i didnt not put it in extra bags though and don't have any maggots so far. it's been 3 days and its getting pretty high. i tried a piece today and it was actually pretty good. didn't smell as rotten as i thought it would, it's more complicated smell. also, i've noticed little bubbles in the juices, i assume that's a good sign of fermentation. anyways, i recommend this method. thanks neone!
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2009, 05:25:11 PM »

High-Meat Preparation Notes:-

First get hold of a properly sealable container(eg:- vacuum-jar/sealable plastic box/Bell Jar etc.). Fill half of the box with the raw meats you want to age - make sure to leave 50% of the box unfilled, so as to ensure that there is enough air/oxygen for the bacteria - it's a very bad idea not to leave enough (fresh)air for the bacteria to work on. Then place the high-meat container in the fridge. Make sure to take the container out and air the box outside , at least once every 1 to 3 days for a few minutes, ...

I'm no expert on this stuff, but based on what I've been reading, I'm not sure that a sealable plastic box or vacuum-sealable containers are such a good idea. It sounds like the traditional Inuit containers were leaky and that this was a good thing. Now that more of them are using sealable plastic, botulism has become a problem, according to reports like the one below. The problem is, a loose top will likely result in a stinky fridge, right? Seems like a catch-22 for us who don't have a cellar that no one will mind if we stink it up. Botulism poisoning is rare, but I remember my high school biology teacher saying that it's one of the most potent organic toxins on earth.

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Traditional "stink" foods such as fermented salmon eggs (stink eggs) or salmon heads (stink heads) are prepared by burial in moss-lined pits or barrels in the ground. Nelson (1971) described the process he observed during a visit to the coastal villages of northwest Alaska in 1878-1881: "In the district between the Yukon and Kuskokwim, the heads of king salmon, taken in the summer, are placed in small pits in the ground surrounded by straw and covered with turf. They are kept there during the summer and in the autumn have decayed until even the bones have become the same consistency as the general mass. They are taken out and kneaded in a wooden tray until they form a pasty compound and are eaten as a favorite dish by some of the people."

The process described by Nelson has changed somewhat. Now, fermentation is usually carried out in either a barrel, a plastic or glass jar, or a plastic bag. These containers increase the risk of botulism toxin formation because most can be easily sealed, thereby increasing the likelihood of anaerobic conditions. Some foods are fermented in a seal skin or fish skin bag or "poke" which is either buried or hung up. If salmon eggs are fermented in this manner, they can be left until they dry out somewhat and form a "cheese" which is firm on the outside and soft in the center.

Toxin production is also temperature dependent, and is less likely to occur at the lower temperatures used during traditional fermentation. However, fermentation now may be done indoors, or in a container above ground and in the sun. These methods involve warmer temperatures which make fermentation more rapid and production of botulism toxin more likely.

Botulism in Alaska: A Guide for Physicians and Health Care Providers - 1998 Update
http://www.epi.alaska.gov/pubs/botulism/bot_03.htm
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