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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2009, 06:46:39 PM » |
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That's why they add lemon I think .. to cut the bitter taste. Oysters and scallops do taste better than clams do. I like lemon on oyster and urchin, to cut the bitter taste of urchin and salty taste of oyster.
I just remembered I've only tasted wild clams steamed so far (though I've tried farmed clams on the half shell and recall liking them somewhat). Wild clams taste great to me when lightly steamed--much better than raw oysters--so if they taste worse than oysters when raw that's another reason for me to not bother with raw clams, in addition to being too tiny to bother smashing open, although maybe the rotting technique would be worth a try. Steamed mussels taste better to me than just about any other seafood, which was why I was surprised at how nasty they tasted raw. Maybe I'll try the rotting suggestion. I think I may wash or soak the raw oysters in tap water to get rid of the salty taste. Why do people say to not do this and why do they say to be careful not to spill that nasty saltwater? It reminds me of when I was forced to gargle saltwater as a kid when I got a cold--yuck!
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2009, 07:47:42 PM » |
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Doesn't salt water from the ocean have a bitter taste?
I don't like rinsing food in tap water where I am from (fluoride, chlorine etc.). I would rather use some filtered water or spring water.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2009, 06:09:48 AM » |
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Raw fresh living mussels turn into a quite tasty and delicious food when left in the fridge for a few days until the valves are no longer closed. The animal has then died and there is not need to open the shells  . Left even a few days more at temperatures below 5°C, they rot progressively and become usually even more tasty depending on rotting time and temperature. My experience is that it's best to eat the raw mussels(and other raw shellfish) within 2-3 days after leaving them in the fridge. Left longer than that, the flesh of the shellfish starts shrinking heavily so that, after 10 days, the flesh is a pale shadow of its former self(no doubt due to water leaking away gradually along with multiple nutrients in it). I actually like the taste of fresh,raw mussels now though it took time for me to get used to such anacquired taste. Incidentally, when getting used to the raw mussels, what I would commonly do is crack them open with a metal walnut-cracker, then tear the flesh out with my teeth and put the flesh in a glass. After depositing a very large number of raw mussel-flesh in the pint-glass, I would upend the glass with my hand covering the top, and leach the saltwater from it that way.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2009, 08:02:41 AM » |
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Raw fresh living mussels turn into a quite tasty and delicious food when left in the fridge for a few days until the valves are no longer closed. The animal has then died and there is not need to open the shells  . Left even a few days more at temperatures below 5°C, they rot progressively and become usually even more tasty depending on rotting time and temperature. Selling dead clams or mussels is a no no in our markets. And when people cook clams or mussels, dead ones are thrown away. Filipinos have the impression that dead clams or mussels are unhealthy and will make people sick. Somehow I'm not so adventurous with this suggestion and be too afraid to try rotting mussels.
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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2009, 10:43:07 AM » |
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Selling dead clams or mussels is a no no in our markets. And when people cook clams or mussels, dead ones are thrown away. Filipinos have the impression that dead clams or mussels are unhealthy and will make people sick. Somehow I'm not so adventurous with this suggestion and be too afraid to try rotting mussels.
Sure, only live mussels are allowed for sale in the markets, here in France too. As Tyler, I often eat them fresh and live and I like it this way, in particular the little bitterness. Yet they get usually much more tasty after 2 or 3 days or sometimes more in the fridge. As long as they smell and taste attractive I think we can eat them and I do it and have never observed any adverse effects. On the contrary, they are very easily digested. When left in the fridge for a longer time they either more or less dry and there is not much left to eat, as pointed out by Tyler, or they rot to such an extent that they smell repulsive if the atmosphere in the fridge is too wet. At this latter stage I don't eat them of course. I can't see why such "aged" mussels might be more harmful to raw paleo dieters than high meat or "aged" meat.
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2009, 11:33:28 AM » |
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... When left in the fridge for a longer time they either more or less dry and there is not much left to eat, as pointed out by Tyler, or they rot to such an extent that they smell repulsive if the atmosphere in the fridge is too wet. At this latter stage I don't eat them of course.
I can't see why such "aged" mussels might be more harmful to raw paleo dieters than high meat or "aged" meat. Do you think it makes a difference to age them still in shell or cut out of shell? If out of shell, do you think it's better to cut each into (smaller) pieces first before aging them?
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2009, 12:27:10 PM » |
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Do you think it makes a difference to age them still in shell or cut out of shell? If out of shell, do you think it's better to cut each into (smaller) pieces first before aging them?
I've never tried to do so and always left them in their shells, RawZi. In this way I don't have to open them, most of them open by themselves after a couple of days. They then simultanenously dry and rot slowly in aerobic conditions when stored in a fairly thin layer with the juices drained. I guess that cut into pieces out of shell and soaked in their own juices in a container they'll rot much faster with probably different bacteria in anaerobic conditions. I don't know how long this remains edible. When out of shell, maybe an alternative option is just to age by drying a little bit the whole soft part of the animal without cutting in pieces.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2009, 03:16:47 PM » |
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Incidentally, when getting used to the raw mussels, what I would commonly do is crack them open with a metal walnut-cracker, then tear the flesh out with my teeth and put the flesh in a glass. After depositing a very large number of raw mussel-flesh in the pint-glass, I would upend the glass with my hand covering the top, and leach the saltwater from it that way.
Why do it that way instead of rinsing or soaking the mussel flesh? Are there nutrients in the water or on the surface of the flesh that get washed away? Interestingly, the mussels I ate didn't have a salty taste. Are there any freshwater mussel farming operations?
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2009, 03:40:21 PM » |
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Why do it that way instead of rinsing or soaking the mussel flesh? Are there nutrients in the water or on the surface of the flesh that get washed away? That would mean using London tapwater which isn't exactly healthy, I would never consider washing any of my raw foods in it. Interestingly, the mussels I ate didn't have a salty taste. Are there any freshwater mussel farming operations? I doubt it. [/quote]
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2009, 08:05:10 PM » |
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My experience is that it's best to eat the raw mussels(and other raw shellfish) within 2-3 days after leaving them in the fridge....
I tried the 3 day old raw mussels and unfortunately still cannot stand them. I've learned that mussels is one of my tastiest foods when steamed, but I hate them when raw. I'll stick to oysters when it comes to raw shellfish.
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> "Medicine improved exponentially when the tinkering barber surgeons took over from the high theorists. They just went with what worked, irrespective of why it worked." -Nassim Taleb > "no one would touch this type of diet unless they'd tried everything else and this diet alone worked" -T.D. > Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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