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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2008, 05:47:53 PM » |
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Yes, the toxins in cooked-foods do usually prevent weight-loss, particularly in my own case.
The reason why Charles has a bigger following than Lex is obvious:- not only is he suggesting that it doesn't matter whether you cook your meats( citing Stefansson's experiment despite the fact that Stefansson ate some raw animal food(eg:- raw marrow) during his short-lived 12-month-long Bellevue experiment), but also he recommends cheaper, grainfed meats rather than the slightly more expensive grassfed meats. People will always follow the path of least resistance and when a diet offers an easy way out, even if it doesn't work long-term, it's still an attractive option for many people.
Last I checked, Charles doesn't do dairy, right?
*NB:- I don't suggest that grassfed meat is expensive as that's a bit of a myth. It isn't really as , due to its higher nutrient-levels, one can live perfectly well on smaller amounts of grassfed meats than is the case with grainfed meats. When one further compares a raw-animal-food diet consisting of grassfed meat with a conventional junk-food diet based on the "balanced diet", then one can see just how much cheaper a raw-animal-food diet is as most RAFers aren't going in for chocolate/alcohol/smoking binges, let alone binging on crisps("chips" to Americans) and other junk-food. Yet, some RAFers keep on complaining about how expensive a RAF diet is.
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2008, 06:24:58 PM » |
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Tyler, some people don't just have them selves to think of; grass fed beef or other grass fed meat does cost a lot more than "normal every day" meat that "normal" people eat. Just think if you had 3 children and a wife to feed and share life...
You know I have trouble with things that many humans say...some say raw is super and the next thing is they are sick and call it "detox" or they end up eating cooked food, binge on fruit, honey and all kinds of other ED's.
Well Charles has not talked about any of those things and many others don't have all this "detox" things...
He does give a lot of support and has a lot of information, which does make sense.
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2008, 06:45:10 PM » |
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The idea that grassfed meat is always expensive is nonsense. I've managed to get hold of very cheap grassfed horsemeat in Italy, for example, which is FAR cheaper than the grainfed beef on offer, over there. Same here in the UK, I can get whole wild-hare carcasses, complete with organ-meats, inside(albeit headless), for 10-11 pounds each(13 pounds if I don't order them regularly, which is rare), a massive grassfed leg of mutton for 14-16 pounds sterling etc. Plus, as grainfed meat is inferior nutritionally, one has to eat more of it to get most of the right nutrients, though one would miss out on omega-3s, mostly.
What irks me, though, is that cooked-zero-carbers are following such highly artificial diets, yet frequently cite the Eskimos/Inuit as supposed proof that their diet works, in the long-term. In fact, the Inuits followed a diet that was radically different from most cooked-zero-carbers - for one thing, they ate large amounts of organ-meats, ate much of their meats raw, and ate meats from wild-animals with much, much higher levels of omega-3s than would be found in supermarket, grainfed meats.
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2008, 07:34:09 PM » |
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The idea that grassfed meat is always expensive is nonsense. I've managed to get hold of very cheap grassfed horsemeat in Italy, for example, which is FAR cheaper than the grainfed beef on offer, over there. Same here in the UK, I can get whole wild-hare carcasses, complete with organ-meats, inside(albeit headless), for 10-11 pounds each(13 pounds if I don't order them regularly, which is rare), a massive grassfed leg of mutton for 14-16 pounds sterling etc. Plus, as grainfed meat is inferior nutritionally, one has to eat more of it to get most of the right nutrients, though one would miss out on omega-3s, mostly.
and if you had 3 children (say 3, 4 and 6 years); would you give them tough raw meat? What would you do when they get runny stools - or would that not happen? I am just trying to make a picture of what goes on in others. I also can not understand, how you can digest cooked starch (Christmas pudding) on special occasions; the body looses the ability to digest things that it never gets! That is not a thing that can be put right by high meat, fasting or what ever - that is just giving the mind an answer to the problem. Nicola
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2008, 07:42:54 PM » |
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I disagree that not eating cooked-starch for years makes it indigestible. For one thing, unlike Lex and co, I'm not following a zero-carb diet but a low-carb one, so carbs, cooked or not, don't have the same effect on me as they do to Lex.
As regards the Christmas Pudding, if I eat a standard Christmas Pudding I always suffer greatly because of the heated vegetable-oils in it - in the last few years, though, I've eaten only organic Christmas Puddings which don't have vegetable-oils so I'm less affected by them.
If I had children, I would undoubtedly feed them on raw animal foods. After all, despite your claims, raw animal foods can be quite soft(eg:- raw liver, raw fish/shellfish etc.), and even muscle-meats like raw leg of mutton are quite soft - though I would always cut up the meats beforehand for children to eat better. Of course, in Palaeo times, children were breastfed for much longer periods(c.1 year) until their teeth were fully developed and able to handle raw meats.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2008, 12:04:40 AM » |
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"You know I have trouble with things that many humans say...some say raw is super and the next thing is they are sick and call it 'detox' or they end up eating cooked food, binge on fruit, honey and all kinds of other ED's. Well Charles has not talked about any of those things and many others don't have all this 'detox' things..."
1 thing to consider is that, generally, human beings can speak from personal praxis, from theory, from imagination, from a perceived need to maintain or improve some social status or self image, from an urge to make noise...
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the biotic pyramid > the ecological food web > the human trophic niche it's natural, easy ... & it is fair
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2008, 05:21:11 PM » |
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Nicola, it just occurred to me that this topic should have been put in the Hot Topics forum, in the first place, as that's really the forum for discussing any alleged benefits of cooked-zero-carb/raw vegan/cooked-junk-food etc. diets.
*Forgot to add 1 other point:- I'm always deeply suspicious of anybody who claims 100% success on any diet, without any issues whatsoever. If they don't mention at least some setback on their path to health, no matter how slight, or worse, as in the case of some others(not Charles) start making outrageous claims, such as the notion of being able to live forever on such-and-such-a-diet or become as strong as Arnie without the need for any exercise whatsoever etc., then there's good reason to be think that a great deal of exaggeration is involved.
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2008, 12:49:53 PM » |
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Why does he cook his meat - raw meat and fat could make a health jump When queried about this in the past he replied that none of the primitive societies that he was aware of ate a diet high in raw animal foods. He prefers to cook his meats to medium. edit: upon reading some of Charle's new forum he now says that he eats his beef medium-rare and is getting rarer.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2008, 05:56:17 PM » |
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The trouble is that Charles claims that the Eskimos ate hardly any raw animal food and bases this on a very biased comment by Stefansson in his books. But, in fact, all other non-Stefansson sources, such as Weston-Price, make it very clear that raw animal food was a major staple of the Inuit diet(and of many other Arctic tribes such as the Nenets of Siberia).
It's interesting that zero-carbers commonly have a tendency to steer towards cooking meats less and less - Charles seems to be no exception.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2008, 06:24:02 PM » |
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It is very intesting zero carbers cooking less and less.
I like a guru who can change their mind eg Shazzie. If Charles starts to recommend rare steaks I will be very very impressed.
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