Guitarman tried RZC for a week or two so I would take his advice with a grain of salt.

Wodgina, way to completely mis-characterize my experiments with zc and vlc.  I have no intent for this to get in to a big rumble about zc.  It didn't work for me (I think developing cavities after 2-3 weeks is reason enough to quit), but I do believe it works for others, that's why I was reading this thread in the first place. 

At any rate, I was in ketosis for a solid 3 months and lifting with very slow results (I was between 10-30g carbs a day).  Looking back it's possible that my routine had just stagnated, or maybe it really takes 6 months to a year for gene expression and mitochondria to fully adapt.  I gave it another try for about a month, but saw my results stagnate/decline, and just decided that I didn't want to wait to start putting on muscle, or face the possibility that I could spend all that time with basically nothing to show other than a failed experiment.

However, to be perfectly honest, I wish that vlc had worked out b/c I REALLY like the benefits of a ketogenic, vlc diet.  It's cheap, convienient, simple, satisfying... you guys all know the benefits.  I kind of consider vlc to be very similar to zc in terms of how the body processes food for fuel, which is why I'm interested in this thread. 

Like I said, I could do everything else just fine, and could maintain strength (except for the 1 month experiment - I lost b/c I didn't give my body enough time to adapt), but I just had a tough time putting anything on.  And make no mistake, lifting weights is a big deal for many athletic endeavors - baseball, football, gymnastics, etc.  Just don't get confused, there are weight lifters, and there are body builders.  The former are interested in useable strength while the latter are interested in pretty show muscles.  I'm somewhere in between, and use both strength and size as measures of success. 

djr, good luck (and I mean that).  I would really like to see some ketogenic lifters/body builders who are able to get results. 

I don't know anyone who has achieved size on VLC or RZC.

Carbs do bloat you up.

From the superhumanradio interview raw eating follow-ups Randy Roach follows AVs juicing methods, and eating 1 fruit a day.  Pleanty of honey and avocados with his meat.