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Author Topic: Maximum Contraction / Omega Set the paleo answer to weight lifting?  (Read 3296 times)
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 03:40:26 AM »

I think their point is indulging in intense activity every day does not help with your performance. If they had to work hard out of necessity so be it, but I doubt any paleo people could out lift or out perform modern athletes in any sports, athletes that know how to train and rest properly.

Not true. Some scientists did a recent study of ancient greek triremes and it was found that the ancient greeks(on a Neolithic diet, no less) far outperformed any modern Olympic rowers. Given that palaeolithic peoples were more active physically  than  settled Neolithic peoples(like the Ancient Greeks), it's certain that palaeo cavemen  could have done even better, especially given the fact they had a healthier diet.

And daily physical performance is very relevant. I remember my father poitning out that in his youth there were still some jobs available which involved frequent heavy physical labour, and he would mention how such labourers etc. could easily outperform any modern ahtlete as regards lifting weights etc., simply because they did such activity virtually every day of their lives.

Modern athletes, by contrast, are heavily dependent on performance-enhancing drugs and still can't compete with their forbears.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 06:57:02 AM »

I'd be interested in seeing any such studies.

I don't have a hard time believing the average paleo-man could outperform the average neo/modern-man. However, I find it extremely unlikely that the top level paleo-man could outperform a top level modern athlete at ANY Olympic event.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2009, 09:35:14 AM »

I'd be interested in seeing any such studies.

I don't have a hard time believing the average paleo-man could outperform the average neo/modern-man. However, I find it extremely unlikely that the top level paleo-man could outperform a top level modern athlete at ANY Olympic event.

Here's a link showing how ancient greeks could be at least as good as or better than modern athletes:-

http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/press_releases/current/ancient_greece.htm

I agree that modern athletes have the advantage of sport-performance-enhancing drugs such as steroids etc., but if one excludes such, palaeo (and even Neolithic) men would easily outperform modern athletes every single time as they would be performing the equivalent of many modern sports every single day of their lives, not just before major sporting events.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2009, 10:04:23 AM »

I have to disagree. I read that article a while back and was not convinced.

I lot of athletes look very paleo especially boxer's for instance. They nearly always have perfect facial structure (besides busted up noses) and supremely mesomorphic. They won the genetic lottery and would be equal to paleoman.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2009, 02:52:48 AM »

Actually, all the evidence from palaeoanthropologists re human bones shows that palaeo humans indulged in intense physical activity every day so could have beaten any modern human on a functional level.

I'm wondering, is this from marks on their bones from wounds? Or the fact that their bones were so strong?
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2009, 04:14:36 AM »

I'm wondering, is this from marks on their bones from wounds? Or the fact that their bones were so strong?

I think it's both but mainly due to the thickness of the bone. Cordain and others explain how the bone gets very mildly damaged by sport activity(like muscle) and when it repairs itself numerous times after very heavy physical activity, it becomes much thicker.At any rate, every study on the subject indicates that Palaeo humans were at least as good as modern athletes or better, judging from the evidence re bones.

And I certainly heavily disagree re the notion that people have evolved beyond the level of palaeoman. Not only is this unlikely given lack of adaptation to many foods(try eating raw grains, for example in large quantities), but scientists have actually suggested that palaeoman was more advanced on the evolutionary scale than modern man. For example, we have smaller brain-sizes than palaeoman(8-11% less, depending on intepretation of dates), but also palaeoman was, most of the time, subject to a high degree of natural selection along with a combination of living in largely  isolated communities, and those 2 factors(not present in Neolithic times)  would have ensured a higher level of evolution. By contrast, we are now actively promoting the continued survival(and breeding) of people with cystic fibrosis and other genetic diseases, which means we are progressively becoming sicker as a population.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 12:01:56 PM »

The thing with athletics is there is the technique aspect as well as pure strength, speed, endurance etc. Paleoman might have competed in the raw physicality, but technique in athletics has improved every generation since sport and unless you train from a young age intensely and have a natural gift for it, you cannot compete with world class athletes in that sport, regardless of how thick your bones are. I can't think of a measuring stick much more irrelevant than bone thickness to determine who would win in an athletic competition. Also I'd be wary of using the word "evolution" that way, as if it's a one way street forward to getting "better."
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 12:15:47 PM »

What about the javaline throw?  Those guys should beat any modern athlete (performance enhancing drugs aside).  Also, what about throwing a baseball?  No doubt we would have been proficient at throwing rocks.  Or any type of running.  Paleo men would have been running from children on up, never really would have stopped.

Technique does account for alot, so yeah they wouldn't be able to keep up with Roger Federer or Tiger Woods in any type of highly specialized sport.

 
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 08:40:06 AM »

I'd be wary of using the word "evolution" that way, as if it's a one way street forward to getting "better."

VERY good point.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2009, 05:23:00 PM »

I've had very good results (using max contraction style training) adding strength and muscle density to a physique that was already built up from conventional weight lifting. I think it's the most efficient way to add power to ones muscles and strengthen the connective tissues like tendons  etc.
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