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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 11:08:30 PM »



i asked the butcher at Whole Foods today if any of the grass-fed beef was pre-frozen. he said no, and that if something is pre-frozen that it has to state it on the label.

Aajonus mentions that one of the reasons why freezing meat is bad, is because it allows the E.Coli bacteria to overproduce. i assume that means that E.coli is more resilient to the cold than other bacteria, and multiplies while other bacteria dies or lay dormant in the freezer. this is probably why meat taken out of the freezer tend to get brown and smell quick.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2008, 09:04:54 PM »

i have heard that freezing for 2 weeks will eliminate all parasites
this is a statement from the fda and lord knows i am not saying the government is the most reputable source of information but as a girl with parasites already......i freeze
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2008, 07:33:30 AM »

i have heard that freezing for 2 weeks will eliminate all parasites
this is a statement from the fda and lord knows i am not saying the government is the most reputable source of information but as a girl with parasites already......i freeze

Yes, freezing at 0 degrees F for 7 days will kill parasites.  But it will not kill bacteria.  I freeze mainly because I buy in bulk once a month from a farm that is a good 100 miles from me.  They deliver at a certain place, so that is most convenient.

I would suggest that everyone try to search out local, small-scale farms where bacteria will not be breeding as they are in the large-scale industrial farms that Whole Foods supports.  Whole Foods has gotten some bad press lately, btw, for some shady practices.  And usually, you can get a better deal buying direct from the farm, especially with fuel costs rising.  Just because something may say "organic" or "grassfed" does not mean it is the best you can buy.  Many organics come from China and Chile.  What does that mean exactly? 

http://www.slate.com/id/2138176/  - an older article, I remember reading more recent stuff, but can't find it

That's why local is best.  You can visit the farms and see how they do things.  The local WAPF chapters can help you find well-raised, pastured animal products.

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html#locallist

And here's our rawpaleo.com links for both US and UK suppliers.

http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/links/  - the top 4 listings
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2008, 02:40:15 AM »


does freezing have any effect on enzymes?
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »

does freezing have any effect on enzymes?

Without a doubt.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 04:55:47 AM »

Without a doubt.

so what would be the best enzyme supplement to take along with pre-frozen meat?
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 11:25:40 AM »

so what would be the best enzyme supplement to take along with pre-frozen meat?

I don't take enzymes with food, I only take a systemic enzyme called Neprinol. I started with Vitalzym but found out Neprinol is similar, perhaps even a little better, as well as not containing the excipients in Vitalzym. The cd that came with Vitalzym had a lecture that taught me a lot about systemic enzymes, maybe I could upload it somehow. One of the things I learned was that systemic enzymes are sometimes the same as digestive ones, your bodies enzymes can perform multiple functions. For example protein digesting enzymes break down fibrin in the body (which is the most important function of enzyme supplementation imo) aka scar tissue, and then slowly move to your digestive system and out your bowels, where they digest your dietary protein "on the way out."

So when you take a "digestive enzyme supplement" you are taking the same enzymes that are in a "systemic enzyme supplement," but the difference is that the pill is made in a way to deliver the enzymes into the body rather than leaving them in the digestive system.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2008, 06:44:14 AM »

A few people wish to speed up the process by storing the "high-meat" container outside the fridge in the open air, but this is fraught with difficulty as flies are fiendishly clever at laying their almost unnoticeable eggs around the lid, and these can then so easily drop in. It's been suggested by one member of the group that the container in question should be sealed within black bin-bags so as to deter the flies.

Is there anything wrong with leaving a sealed container outside of the fridge? I put some heart in a sealed jar to make high yesterday, but left it outside of the fridge.
And does anyone how approx. how long it will take unrefrigerated meats to become high, as opposed to refrigerated?
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2008, 07:48:46 AM »

Is there anything wrong with leaving a sealed container outside of the fridge? I put some heart in a sealed jar to make high yesterday, but left it outside of the fridge.
And does anyone how approx. how long it will take unrefrigerated meats to become high, as opposed to refrigerated?

The problem is that you have to air the sealed container regularly(I find once a day airing to speed up the process). By airing, you dislodge some of the tiny eggs laid by flies around the lid, which then fall into the high-meat mess below, and you then get maggots crawling all over sooner or later. I've managed, by being ultra-careful, to avoid such a thing happening, over a 3-week period, but one always forgets sooner or later.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2008, 07:53:31 AM »

does freezing have any effect on enzymes?

Technically speaking, freezing doesn't kill of bacteria, it just inactivates them. Freezing does damage the structure of enzymes - I think some RPDers have stated that enzymes get completely destroyed if the food is left for as much as 10 weeks in a frozen state - no idea how to corroborate that. The main problem with freezing is that cell-walls get broken by the ice-particles so that nutrients leak out etc.
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