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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2008, 11:39:19 AM »

I'm confused about the denaturing aspect of cooking and chemical cooking. As we all know, the stomach acid denatures proteins in the stomach, so is citric acid marinated meat any different?

I thought the problem with cooking was that novel chemicals are created, the proteins and fats and sugars react in certain ways to create toxic by-products.

Acid cooked meat may not be as good as fresh, but I'm 99% certain it's better than heat cooked meat, by a large margin better.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 09:53:24 AM »

I thought that the "chemical cooking" process by which the vinegar or other acid turn marinated fish opaque-looking denatured proteins almost to the same extent that cooking did. Does someone have info on this? Isn't the point of eating fish raw to not eat the denatured proteins?
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:Smiley The"chemical cooking is very similar to the what happens in your stomach with hydrochloric acid. The "denaturing is not the same as what happens  with  heat.  Acetic  acid is naturally produced in  the krebs cycle,  metabolizing glucose.  The bacteria that can survive in a acidic environment  are relatively benign.

I have a whole pond full of Mosquito fish. Its hard to get many with a scoop net as the get wary rather quickly.  I could make a small trap and get almost unlimited quantities. The seem to be the only fish in the pond. The largest are only 75 mm. If they weigh 10 grams I'd be surprised! That's 50 to the lb The females are loaded with eggs.  Maybe  I will try eating a few.  I like the idea of "disinfecting" them  with vinegar or lemon juice.  They are very soft, but I think I would clean them first.  I don't want  to eat shit  Shocked

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2008, 08:56:49 PM »

Raw Kyle, good call on the lemon juice. I love ceviche which if anyone doesn't know is marinated raw fish- sometimes in lemon, lime or both. It's delicious!

Over at Wai Diet they talk of denaturing the proteins, but I now believe that if you want to eat some this way, eat some this way. You're not going to eat vinegar or lemon juice at every meal. Some people people feel vinegar is a poison  Shocked What to do?

Like the controversy over eating whole eggs raw- the Biotin/Avidin thang. Some believe you shouldn't eat the whites, AV says eat the whole package. I say do both. You can't go wrong that way.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2008, 09:20:26 PM »

Raw Kyle, good call on the lemon juice. I love ceviche which if anyone doesn't know is marinated raw fish- sometimes in lemon, lime or both. It's delicious!

Over at Wai Diet they talk of denaturing the proteins, but I now believe that if you want to eat some this way, eat some this way. You're not going to eat vinegar or lemon juice at every meal. Some people people feel vinegar is a poison  Shocked What to do?

Well, just think about what happens when that fish hits the hydrochloric acid of your stomach.  Just a bit stronger than lemon juice.  So, enjoy ceviche!
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2008, 10:01:58 PM »

Yeah, it's not really the denaturing of the protein that worries me about cooking. Like Kyle said, the stomach acid denatures the protein anyway. All denaturing means is really the molecule unfolds. It doesn't get destroyed, and as far as I know it really makes no difference.

I'm much more concerned about the chemicals created and the oxidation of fat, etc.
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2008, 11:15:11 PM »

I say do both. You can't go wrong that way.

Except half the time  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2008, 11:16:31 PM »

I'm much more concerned about the chemicals created and the oxidation of fat, etc.

I've seen info on the lowering of vitamins and minerals after drying and cooking before for foods, but I don't believe I've ever seen data from experiments looking at fat oxidation levels of novel chemicals created after a food processing procedure. Sounds like a good experiment.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2008, 11:52:26 PM »

I've seen info on the lowering of vitamins and minerals after drying and cooking before for foods, but I don't believe I've ever seen data from experiments looking at fat oxidation levels of novel chemicals created after a food processing procedure. Sounds like a good experiment.

That would be a good experiment. The more saturated the better concerning oxidation and free radicals but I think those who cook their food should be especially concerned.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/temperature-of-oils.html
https://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2008, 03:54:55 AM »

Avalon wrote:
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I say do both. You can't go wrong that way.

Raw Kyle wrote:
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Except half the time  Wink

I'm sorry, did you miss read what I wrote?

YOU CAN'T GO WRONG THAT WAY!


If you want a good argument that's down the hall. This is being hit on the head lessons in here  Grin

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2008, 12:36:04 AM »

I'm just speaking mathematically. You have two options, you don't know which one is correct, so you do both. Well if one is still correct and the other is incorrect then you're still wrong half of the time. If you choose to do only one of them then you have a 50% chance to either be right all of the time or wrong all of the time.
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