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« on: November 18, 2008, 09:28:14 PM » |
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I'd like to hear what experiences you guys have with raw milk (if you have tried it)
Do you stick mostly to cow or goat milk? And how much do you drink?
Has it improved your health in any way, and what effects do you feel it has on your body when you drink it (positive/negative)?
For those of you who drink it: are there things raw milk shouldn't be mixed with (should it be drunk separately from meat)?
Please explain
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Sully
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 12:32:30 AM » |
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I had some raw cows cheese after I been off it for a long time. Later that night I experienced massive aches in my knees. I mean massive. I think it was caused by the dairy.
However, I ate raw goat's cheese and did not experince it.
Never had raw milk.
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goodsamaritan
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 06:04:31 AM » |
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I experiment weekends.
For 3 or more weekends I experimented with raw cow milk, 1 liter at a time. Caused my stomach to rumble and my colon to be gassy... I fart all day and night.
For 3 or more weekends I experimented with raw carabao milk (water buffalo), 1 liter at a time... Caused my stomach to rumble and my colon to be gassy... I fart all day and night.
For 3 or more weekends I experimented with raw goat milk, 1 liter at a time... Caused my stomach to rumble and my colon to be gassy... I fart all day and night. The last time the gas was so bad, it caused me too much pain.
So I gave up on raw milk.
I voted on NEVER. What I mean is I tried raw milk, but it obviously does not work for me. So I don't want to drink raw milk again.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 06:43:13 AM » |
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Dairy of any kind has not proven to be a great food for me. Though I'm not allergic to dairy products according to the results of allergy tests taken over the years, I find that I get congested with mucus, experience post nasal drip, and it seemed to aggravate (or cause?) my cystic acne from my teenage years into my early 30's when I finally quit consuming it altogether.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 07:50:04 AM » |
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I started drinking raw milk (as well as raw cream and butter) a couple months ago. At first, it gave me smelly gas for a few weeks, but I stuck with it, and the gas has since subsided. By now, raw milk doesn't seeem to be affecting me adversely at all. I've read that raw milk contains the lactase enzyme, and the lack of that is what gives most people trouble digesting lactose. That might explain why I had gas upon first beginning to consume raw dairy, and my theory is that I slowly repopulated my digestive tract with the lactase from the milk I was drinking, to the point that I'm having no problem digesting it now. It would be interesting if some of you guys who think it doesn't agree with you would try sticking to it for a month or two to see if the same doesn't happen.
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Raw Kyle
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 09:46:21 AM » |
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I used to consume a lot of raw dairy according to the Primal Diet and it didn't seem like an optimal food. Milk seemed to effect me the worst, nothing too serious but after a big AV style milkshake with honey and eggs in it my stomach would feel bloated and I would feel like I didn't want to do anything for a while. I can consume the same amount of calories in muscle/fat/organs and not experience anything like that.
I stuck with butter and cheese longer. I was making Primal Diet moisturizing formulas for a while as my main source of fat, and although these digested better than milkshakes they still didn't digest as well as meat, and it's considerably more expensive.
Cheese I was eating with my meat for a while and it made it quite enjoyable. Cubed or grated cheese with cubed meat, cubed pineapple and chopped jalapeno pepper was very tasty, one of the few times I've enjoyed the simple and rather bland in comparison tastes of raw to SAD foods. But for the most part I've given up raw dairy as it seems the evidence points to it being at worst harmful and at best less beneficial than meat, and it's usually more expensive than meat calorie for calorie.
Coincidentally I got a half gallon of raw goat milk today and a dozen eggs to see how some milkshakes would digest. I remember goat milk digesting better, but a big shake would still give me that bogged down feeling. One thing that is undeniable is that dairy is tasty!
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 10:38:52 AM » |
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I tried cows milk/cheese/cream for a week or so. My nasal cavities got all backed up, sore throat, and had quite a few digestion problems. I gave up on raw dairy for awhile after that. 1/2 a yr later (very recently actually), I started drinking raw goats milk as a mid-night snack. I will say it digests much better, and I don't have nearly the allergic reaction. There are definitely both pros and cons:
Pros:
-Helped quite a bit with sleep.
-GREAT midnight snack to put on some weight if that's what you're going for (esp combined w/ egg)
-Great to use moderately in a honey/egg/berry post work-out shake
-Tons of high quality nutrients
Cons:
-Still doesn't digest perfectly for me, but no stomach problems
-Possible humans (generally) still lack ability to completely digest
-Still causes somewhat of a mucus/allergic reaction.
Right now I'm pretty torn about it. I like to sing/guitar and the mucus reaction kills the singing voice, but it tastes so great, and is so good for recovery/building. I might use it sparingly for recovery or when I have trouble sleeping.
Once again, don't forget about genetics. Studies show that while most all northern European decedents have most enzymes and fairly good ability to digest the stuff, south Pacific people almost always do not. We have had some time to adapt, and the genes for us to process milk already exist within us. I would say some of us are near completely able to process, and some of us are near completely unable. But goats milk; if you do, definitely go with goats milk.
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When you consume an organism it loses individuality, but its biological life never ends. Digestion is merely a transfer of its life to mine.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2008, 08:04:24 PM » |
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Early on in the raw diet, I would try lots of raw dairy, I would get massive cravings for it( a common reaction for those allergic to a food) so that I would lose my taste for raw meats. My health-problems from it grew worse and worse(rectal bleeding/nasal mucus/poor skin-condition/sensitive skin/ chronic stomach-aches(as with any cooked-animal-food at the time plus chronic fatigue and acute anxiety among a 100 other symptoms). It took months for some of the symptoms to go away and a couple of years before 1 or 2 of the rest to disappear.
Because some raw-dairy-fanatics insisted that I was "to blame" for my health-problems with raw dairy and suggested that my gut just needed time to heal, I tried raw dairy twice within a 6-year-period, at 2-3(?) years and 6 years after the beginning of quitting raw dairy, and the symptoms gradually increased in severity as before. I've tried fermented dairy, dairy from cows/goats/sheep/water-buffalo - they are all hamrful, though some like goats' dairy takes a day or two longer than the other types to do its evil work on my body.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 01:42:39 AM » |
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I'd love to have raw milk but it is illegal in Scotland so is just unobtainable.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 04:40:59 AM » |
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I'd have to go along with Geoff's comments. For a few years following the primal diet I consumed large quantities of raw butter, milk, cream and butter. It was all organic and of very high quality (100% grass-fed pedigree jersey herd etc) but caused nothing but problems - stomach cramps, congestion, hives, terrible brain fog, fatigue, excessive weight gain, severe leg cramps (to the point that I sometimes got caught out unable to walk home!!) etc. I slowly phased it out via soiree's with homemade goat kefir and, in a similar way to raw kyle, was still using 'fat shakes' - butter, eggs, honey - until comparatively recently.
I've toyed with dairy on and off over the last few years hoping that I could get it to work for me but I am now totally avoiding ALL dairy and feeling much better for it! Maybe it works for some people (perhaps dependent on genetics, ancestry, blood-type et al) but, despite great hopes and efforts, it doesn't appear to work not for me.
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