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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2010, 09:01:12 PM »

Forgive my curiosity, but do you have an idea why? I'll assume it was not the jerky, as everyone can eat that.


it's not your curiosity, but your condescending attitude that should be requesting forgiveness.. apparently i am not part of the 'everyone' you speak about!

i have made jerky from the same meat that eaten fresh is health-improving and digests fine.  the lowest temperature on my dehydrator setting is 85 degrees F (technically 'raw'), that's what I used.  the fat i used is not actually rendered tallow, but set at 85 degrees F for an hour or so to get mushy and then blended with the lean.  this is the same way i eat extra fat today when i'm in the mood for extra fat, only without the blending part, and i digest that just fine. a surprise to me as well, but it's NOT the fat.  the dryer the meat, the worse my symptoms... and they are horrible!  again, this is the same meat that is health promoting fresh and even aged is better i have found.

i love hearing everyone's experiences on this forum, but your post attribute what has been successful for you to literally 'everyone'... that's not fair!... it's not fair to newbies... it's not fair to people who read here trying to learn to rebuild their health, and it most certainly is not fair to me!
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2010, 09:09:46 PM »


A raw diet, wont cure autoimmune diseases like crohns & colitis ... you need specific bacteria & nutrition, ie pigs stomach lining


why do you post this nonsense and ignorant kind of statements??... because you read it somewhere?... because you *think* you read it somewhere?

do you even realize that people who might be trying to cure the above are here, may even be newbies, and may even think there is some reason or truth to your bs claim??

stop posting what YOU don't know, which has been just about all of your post thus far.
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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2010, 12:40:55 AM »


it's not your curiosity, but your condescending attitude that should be requesting forgiveness.. apparently i am not part of the 'everyone' you speak about!

I will try not to be condescending - you may be aware that coping with the tallowphobes distracted me so that I didn't notice it.


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i have made jerky from the same meat that eaten fresh is health-improving and digests fine.  the lowest temperature on my dehydrator setting is 85 degrees F (technically 'raw'), that's what I used.    the dryer the meat, the worse my symptoms... and they are horrible!  again, this is the same meat that is health promoting fresh and even aged is better i have found.

Puzzling to me, because the only difference I've read between fresh and dried meat is less water and according to Dr. Harris, neutralized allergen (albumin in blood IIRC).

Have you guessed at what might have caused the difference? What I would wonder at is the dehydrator, for lack of knowledge of any other influence.
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2010, 04:17:22 AM »

Well said, Ioanna re above posts. As for Crohn's, numerous RVAFers have reported curing it on a rawpalaeodiet judging from past posts on other RVAF diet forums. Same goes for various  other auto-immune diseases.It's so much more effective in this regard than other diets, even cooked-palaeodiet. I even heard 1 vague claim by someone that he'd cured himself of a genetic illness(Grave's disease) with the Primal Diet(that is, he stated that he had got rid of the symptoms or reduced them heavily, rather than getting rid of the genetic illness as a whole).

Re water-content:- Part of the reason why cooked foods are less easy to digest is, I suspect, the lower water-content. I'm not sure how that works. Maybe water-content is necessary as a sort of catalyst re digestive-enzymes.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2010, 04:53:04 AM »

The main difference between raw meat and jerky is of course the water content and consequently also the taste. It seems to me that it tastes usually better (specifically for newbies) than fresh raw meat because flavors are more concentrated (less water and somewhat oxidised and bacteria and fungi modified surface layer that reminds a little bit cheese or cooked meat...)

This means that it is much easier to overeat jerky than fresh meat and get digestive ailments.




 
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2010, 05:35:49 AM »

This means that it is much easier to overeat jerky than fresh meat and get digestive ailments.
I've noticed this myself. I'm of the mind that beyond the taste influencing overeating the lack of water also disrupts a natural stop response (the body actually starts giving water hunger signals but we misinterpret these for regular hunger). Either was it's very easy to overeat on dried food.
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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2010, 05:59:27 AM »

I've noticed this myself. I'm of the mind that beyond the taste influencing overeating the lack of water also disrupts a natural stop response (the body actually starts giving water hunger signals but we misinterpret these for regular hunger). Either was it's very easy to overeat on dried food.
Well, I haven't experienced this  with dried fruit.
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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2010, 06:38:22 AM »

Well, I haven't experienced this  with dried fruit.
Seriously? I personally noticed this worst with dried fruits. I always overate dried fruit until I was either out of the fruit or felt nauseous. At least now with meat I catch myself and stop eating all the jerky but I never did with dried fruit.
Granted, I'm dealing with Candida so it's very possible this overshadowed natural stops there.
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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2010, 06:41:45 AM »

This means that it is much easier to overeat jerky than fresh meat and get digestive ailments.

The proportion of tallow to jerky is important too, and easy to neglect the tallow - result is painful to me.
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2010, 07:21:41 AM »

The people who have eaten dried jerky with unrendered animal fat or fat rendered at low temps should probably try some pemmican with fat rendered at its traditional 220-240F. The Del Fuegos got poor results with fat rendered at low temps and additional poor results by simply dipping the jerky into fat without breaking it down into dust first (Nicola just posted this somewhere). Just something to consider if you haven't tried it this way as this traditional method worked very well for both the natives and the euros.
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