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« on: January 23, 2010, 05:24:20 PM »

Well, after being fine on a low fiber diet (mostly raw meat, vegetable juices, eggs and a good amount of fruit) my hemorrhoids problems have resurged. After I woke up and drank my usual glass of water today, I've had severe 'deep' pain coming from my rectum/anus that wouldn't go away. There has been blood in my stools for many months also. There wasn't any visible blood in my stools today, but it hurt when trying to get them out and there was a little bit of blood on the toilet paper afterwards.

I decided to do some research on hemorrhoids afterwards and it is conventional knowledge that a low fiber diet is the main cause of hemorrhoids. Where do you guys stand on this topic? Most of you have a very low to no fiber diet right? Has anyone on raw paleo every experienced this problem? I am not completely raw paleo, as I still do eat some sprouted bread here in there and a decent amount of cooked food for social reasons. I also lead a sedentary lifestyle, having a desktop job and being on the computer 12 hours a day often times does not help.

I am definitely going to exercise more, but what I'm wondering is if I should try to get more fiber into my diet? Also, is there no fiber in meat at all?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 05:40:19 PM »

Maybe you need to eat more raw fat? Need more hydration?

I try to take absolutely minimal fiber.

http://www.curemanual.com/blog/2008/10/exposing-the-fiber-myth-buy-the-book-fiber-menace/

I used to have constipation and some haemorrhoid problems but I colon cleansed and re-toned my colon with www.barefootherbalistmh.com LBB capsules. 

My observation is that it is hydrating fruit and raw fat that makes me move.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 05:53:45 PM »

Yes, Hydratation may be a problem. You see, I've been drinking Distilled water for close to a year now. I put some celtic sea salt in it, and have tried a panoply of different products to add-in but don't find the water to be hydrating no matter what. Also, organic fruit here is very expensive so I can't eat as much as you probably can in Thailand. Also don't have access to young coconuts. Raw fats is another problem. I do eat a decent amount of ground beef (500g a day on average), but don't have access to suet for example. The only organ from a grassfed animal that I have access to is bison or highland liver, but don't quite like the taste of it. How much raw fat should I consume a day? I eat some raw cheese but not on a daily basis... I don't think I have much raw fat in my diet at all, so it could definitely be something to experiment with.

As for colon cleansing, I've had a high quality colon cleansing kit on hand for a while now. I've been scared to fast on apple juice for 3 days though. I've never fasted, and generally feel quite weak when I don't eat for a while. I tend to eat 3 to 4 meals a day. I was also worried that all the good bacteria in my colon would just get flushed out. I decided I'd give it a try though because I've ate quite unhealthy when I was traveling and feel the need to cleanse it thoroughly right now. If it helps my hemorrhoid problems, all the better.
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 05:00:35 AM »

All I can suggest is that you keep experimenting with your diet. For now try cutting out all cheese and cooked foods if possible, well, after the hydration experiment.

Hemorrhoids aren't reported on rawpalaeo despite the lack of fibre. At least I've only come across newbies complaining about having them from SAD diets.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2010, 05:54:14 AM »

How about water + lemon + a touch of raw honey + ice cubes as a refreshing hydrating drink?

Cheese is absolutely constipating for me.

You might also want to check on your sitting posture in the toilet.

semi squat or squat is the best.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2010, 07:25:57 AM »

avoid fiber or the cleanse diet/kit until you are properly hydrated
a lot of times if you eat fiber without the proper amount of water to flush it through the fiber will have to absorb moisture from your body to be digested and will and further your constipation...unless, like goodsamaritain said, its in the form of hydrating fruit, the best is watermellons as they will add a generous amount of fluid and a lower sugar content per cup then any other fruit, also good are cucumbers, and celery(chew it up and spit out the fiber, its a great source of natural minerals)

if you want to do an apple fast make sure its the whole apple(and a lot of water, a little
mineral salt and possibly oil since you do not have a good source of animal fat )not just the juice...the whole apple will be less detrimental to your blood sugar, keeping it more even, also the pectin in the skins is said to aid digestion...

i would suggest less meals per day as well, so your body is not constantly digesting....i have a feeling if you are eating this many meals you are mistaking thirst for hunger!  i often feel "hungry" 1.5-2hrs after my meal of the day, i make hot water and drink a few cups and feel better and also like it aids digestion

also be sure to check the cleanse to make sure it does not contain pysillium or another type of fiber or something like magnesium or senna, these will all dehydrate you further so you will have to be very aware of the need for extra water with mineral content so your electrolytes do not go out of balance, which can cause water retention in addition to constipation

cheese is constipating to almost everyone i know, unless they have intolerance, then it is explosive! 

jogging/jumping jacks can help tone the bowels by stimulating them with movement.  as well as stretching, there are great yoga posses that will help push turds around, you can find these on the internet. 

hydrate!!! hope any of this helps
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2010, 02:13:47 PM »

Lay off the fruit & veg., and especially, evil bread. All poison
We who do raw zero carb need no fibre.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 05:50:05 PM »

Lay off the fruit & veg., and especially, evil bread. All poison
We who do raw zero carb need no fibre.

Absolutely. I had only one hemmroid in my life, and that was when I was the High Fiber Vegetarian Queen!  Cheesy Now on ZC I go very regularly, very cleanly and with no issues.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 07:19:29 PM »

avoid fiber or the cleanse diet/kit until you are properly hydrated
a lot of times if you eat fiber without the proper amount of water to flush it through the fiber will have to absorb moisture from your body to be digested and will and further your constipation...unless, like goodsamaritain said, its in the form of hydrating fruit, the best is watermellons as they will add a generous amount of fluid and a lower sugar content per cup then any other fruit, also good are cucumbers, and celery(chew it up and spit out the fiber, its a great source of natural minerals)

if you want to do an apple fast make sure its the whole apple(and a lot of water, a little
mineral salt and possibly oil since you do not have a good source of animal fat )not just the juice...the whole apple will be less detrimental to your blood sugar, keeping it more even, also the pectin in the skins is said to aid digestion...

i would suggest less meals per day as well, so your body is not constantly digesting....i have a feeling if you are eating this many meals you are mistaking thirst for hunger!  i often feel "hungry" 1.5-2hrs after my meal of the day, i make hot water and drink a few cups and feel better and also like it aids digestion

also be sure to check the cleanse to make sure it does not contain pysillium or another type of fiber or something like magnesium or senna, these will all dehydrate you further so you will have to be very aware of the need for extra water with mineral content so your electrolytes do not go out of balance, which can cause water retention in addition to constipation

cheese is constipating to almost everyone i know, unless they have intolerance, then it is explosive! 

jogging/jumping jacks can help tone the bowels by stimulating them with movement.  as well as stretching, there are great yoga posses that will help push turds around, you can find these on the internet. 

hydrate!!! hope any of this helps


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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 07:32:44 PM »

Absolutely. I had only one hemmroid in my life, and that was when I was the High Fiber Vegetarian Queen!  Cheesy Now on ZC I go very regularly, very cleanly and with no issues.

Were you regular when you were cooked ZC?  I'm assuming you were cooked ZC since you used to post on ZIOH.

I'm asking because i wasn't regular at all when i was on cooked ZC, i'd go every 3-4 days, longer sometimes. I always wondered if that was normal or not. On raw ZC, i'm more regular.

i was browsing ZIOH last nite and saw that your account was deleted, what happened?
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