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« on: January 30, 2010, 01:38:41 PM »

so today, i got food poisoning for the 4th or 5th time since this time last year. The symptoms are always the same - i wake up in the morning with a sharp pain on my right or left abdomen, extending round to my lower back. I may also have horrible pains in my lower abdomen area, which is constant (doesn't come and go). Also, vomiting if i eat or drink anything. The only thing i do is sit or sleep with a hot water bottle held to the area, this is the only thing which seems to help with the symptoms.

I don't get why this keeps happening to me. The meat i eat is frozen 2 weeks usually, as im too paranoid about parasites (is frozen when fresh). Sometimes the meat is aged a bit - for instance yesterday i ate meat that i';d thawed 2 or 3 days before, as well as raw suet.
This never used to happen when i ate a mixed cooked diet, and my family is getting really worried. They accepted my dietary choices but my mum has told me to rethink this. I am the only one in the family who ever gets sick like this. and the only difference is our diet. I really don't know what to do. I cant be missing class every now and again because of this, and it is EXTREMELY unpleasant. If eating this way is making me feel this way, i really do need to rethink what i am doing.
any tips/advice?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 02:00:17 PM »

At the beginning of my journal, I suffered from food poisoning too.

You`ve the same problem as I did: frozen meat. It should be eaten immediately after thawing, if at all.

Give a try for fresh meat and forget those parasite things.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 02:22:22 PM »

I've made high-meats form thawed meat and never had a problem.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 07:34:18 PM »

Your symptoms don't sound like food poisoning to me.  First you say that on most occasions the pain starts suddenly on one side or the other of the lower abdomen.  You then state that the pain commonly involves the lower back (probably on the side where the pain started).  Finally you say that the pain is intense and unrelenting, and that you are nauseous and vomit if you eat or drink anything, and I suspect that if you haven't had anything to eat or drink you have the dry heaves.

From someone who has recently experienced the exact same symptoms, I can say without hesitation that you are probably suffering from renal calculus (kidney stones).  Wonderful aren't they!?!  Based on your description and the relatively short duration of your symptoms, I'd say your stones are fairly small - probably less than 3mm.  My first attack lasted 4 days and my stone was 3.2mm.

There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population.  My own research seems to point to a deep ketogenic diet (ZC) coupled with reduced water intake as being at the heart of the problem.  Are you drinking lots of water? - at least 3 quarts or liters per day.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 10:09:41 PM »

There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population. 

Sad  We were all hoping that RZC would shrink the stones, so that they would start to pass out, and/or even get smaller.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 10:49:38 PM »



There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population. 

Forgive my ignorance, Lex...I don't read or post much on ZC forums, so I'm just going to ask you...do other ZCers besides you have kidney stones? I honestly have no idea.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 11:29:06 PM »

Does not sound like food poisoning to me.  I would expect diarrhea too.

Maybe the stones, maybe intestinal inflammation, colon blockages?

When I had intestinal inflammation fully cooked fatty pork helped.  I don't know why, but it did.
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 04:42:15 AM »

thats interesting lex...i do pretty much eat ZC, and don't really drink alot of water.. I will try and see a doctor in the next couple of days so i can get to the bottom of this. Also, I remember getting food poisoning from an oyster once (that time there was diarrheoa as well) and the symptoms were not as bad...i wasn't in agony. Although sometimes i get muscular aches in the arms and legs as well, and i don't know how to explain that..
This morning i woke up feeling much better, except for a tight feeling in my stomach (once the symptoms lasted one week, but usually they last between 1 and 3 days..)

What would you suggest i do in order to prevent this happening again? More carbs? I am considering adding carbs in the form of white cooked rice, mainly because i don't want a whole load of fructose from fruit and veg, and also because fiber doesn't agree with me..
It's weird because this week, in the days before i got this "attack" i'd been eating more carbs than usual - about 50g a day inthe 2 days preceding it (in the form of white rice)..at first i thought maybe the rice actually caused it, but it seems pretty unlikely.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 05:01:19 AM »

I am considering adding carbs in the form of white cooked rice, mainly because i don't want a whole load of fructose from fruit and veg, and also because fiber doesn't agree with me..

white rice is very bad idea. why don't you do instead brown rice! fruits and veggies are better than rice and they're more paleo. the fructose from fruits are not bad and you can have sometimes diluted green leaf juice for calcium. fivers are not good and never good.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 06:38:35 AM »

white rice is very bad idea. why don't you do instead brown rice! fruits and veggies are better than rice and they're more paleo. the fructose from fruits are not bad and you can have sometimes diluted green leaf juice for calcium. fivers are not good and never good.

Not necessarily, as brown rice has oil which can and does go rancid - I once sniffed all the bulk rice in a health food store, and all of it was rancid, and it has phytates as well, which are nutrient blockers.
Hard to find paleolithic fruit or veg outside the tropics, maybe there are some low in fructose though.
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