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« on: July 23, 2008, 07:04:44 AM »

Ever since I began eating such high amounts of meat I've started getting heart palpitations.
It's kind of scary, but doesn't seem to affect anything else.
In fact, it seems strange that the palpitations do not occur when I'm exercising.
I think it normally happens upon standing up from sitting down. My heart beat gets noticable stronger and faster. Sometimes its accompanied by a "strange" feeling, but the vast majority its not.

I can't help but be worried that its caused by eating so much fat... saturated fat especially. While I know saturated fat isn't the great evil some people would have people believe, too much can't be good right? I eat 3 lbs of fatty meat most days, is this just too much?


Before I started this diet, I believe I had low blood pressure... when I would stand up after lying/sitting down for a long time, I would get EXTREMELY light-headed and my vision would get covered up with grey spots. That hasn't happened since I changed my diet to what it's like now though. But these palpitations have got me kinda worried. In my search of this forum, I see Craig said he's had issues with this, and that it could be related to sodium? I don't think I have a sodium deficiency....

Any advice?
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2008, 07:46:26 AM »

I sometimes feel an heart irregularity but it didn't start with this diet. It's very rare but my heart with feel strange all of a sudden as if it missed a beat.

I can tell you that I eat just as much fat if not more than you and haven't noticed anything like that. Raw saturated fat just simply does not cause any damage, period.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2008, 08:00:03 AM »

Are you eating any organ meats? If not, try adding them to your diet. It could clear up any deficiencies you might have, which might cause the palpitations.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2008, 08:23:02 AM »

yep, eating enough organs
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2008, 08:42:30 AM »

Ever since I began eating such high amounts of meat I've started getting heart palpitations.
It's kind of scary, but doesn't seem to affect anything else.
In fact, it seems strange that the palpitations do not occur when I'm exercising.
I think it normally happens upon standing up from sitting down. My heart beat gets noticable stronger and faster. Sometimes its accompanied by a "strange" feeling, but the vast majority its not.

Keith, perhaps you will consider adding a listing of your food choices to your journal.  Not amounts necessarily, but a daily log of all foods eaten. 

I have had this before, but not for some time.  I have also had cramps in my heart where I feel like I can't breathe for the pain, and then with an inhale it clears itself.  Talk about scary.  I had that as a child even with no heart issues ever known then or since.  I felt this palpitation stuff more in my vegan years ... and liver issues too ... and fatness too.  Are you taking caffeine or alcohol at all?

I can't help but be worried that its caused by eating so much fat... saturated fat especially. While I know saturated fat isn't the great evil some people would have people believe, too much can't be good right? I eat 3 lbs of fatty meat most days, is this just too much?

No, I do not think it is the fat.  However, I have read that carbs and saturated fats (or maybe cholsterol) can be bad news for the heart/circulatory system when eaten together, but this would be things like bread and butter.  This comes from the work of biochemist Mary Enig, but I am afraid I don't know where.  Here is an extensive list of articles on fats, many written by her.
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

Also, I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all diet.  Maybe this is too much fat for YOU.  It certainly would not hurt for you to vary things and see how you fare.  Again, keeping an eye on food choices may well help you pinpoint any dietary triggers.  Finally, try eating some heart since doggy ate the spleen.  Smiley

Before I started this diet, I believe I had low blood pressure... when I would stand up after lying/sitting down for a long time, I would get EXTREMELY light-headed and my vision would get covered up with grey spots. That hasn't happened since I changed my diet to what it's like now though. But these palpitations have got me kinda worried. In my search of this forum, I see Craig said he's had issues with this, and that it could be related to sodium? I don't think I have a sodium deficiency....

I have low blood pressure and always have.  It ranges from 90/50 to 105/70, generally falling in the lower area.  Yes, I have grayed out and have had - what do they call it - orthostatic hypotension.  Yeah, that's it.  I dunno what to tell you, it comes and goes.  Let me look into it more and get back to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthostatic_hypotension -  the basics of what it is, I don't think heart palpitations are related, but you might search for a connection
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2008, 09:35:56 AM »

Another thought:  The recommendation for so much fat is really important for the carnivorous, aka zero carb RPDers to avoid the rabbit starvation.  Lex, Craig, Nicola, Andrew, and some others are doing zero carb.  If you are eating 3 bananas and some other fruit every day, and you are happy with that, then there is probably no need for you to push 80% fat or even anything close to it.  Tyler, Lex, Craig and other more advanced RPDers than myself may have more to say on this, but it is a thought.

Also, I kinda like the warrior diet idea of light food all day and then a substantial meal at night.  Some may disagree with the idea of food combining, and I welcome all opposing views in the spirit of learning, but you might also try separating fruits from meats.

We are all so different!  Yet we have this common space to share ideas about and thrive on natural foods and lifestyles.  So cool.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2008, 09:52:04 AM »

I had some problems like that with some heart pain on and off last month.

I must have contracted parasites from my experiment with our not organic pork and probably infested with parasites pork.

Dr. Hulda Clark the ever parasite theory woman that she is said that they could be heart worms.
So I took my 1 tablespoon of DeWormer by http://www.Barefootherbalistmh.com and the next morning all heart pain was gone.

Good riddance to parasites.

Ever since I began eating such high amounts of meat I've started getting heart palpitations.
It's kind of scary, but doesn't seem to affect anything else.
In fact, it seems strange that the palpitations do not occur when I'm exercising.
I think it normally happens upon standing up from sitting down. My heart beat gets noticable stronger and faster. Sometimes its accompanied by a "strange" feeling, but the vast majority its not.

I can't help but be worried that its caused by eating so much fat... saturated fat especially. While I know saturated fat isn't the great evil some people would have people believe, too much can't be good right? I eat 3 lbs of fatty meat most days, is this just too much?


Before I started this diet, I believe I had low blood pressure... when I would stand up after lying/sitting down for a long time, I would get EXTREMELY light-headed and my vision would get covered up with grey spots. That hasn't happened since I changed my diet to what it's like now though. But these palpitations have got me kinda worried. In my search of this forum, I see Craig said he's had issues with this, and that it could be related to sodium? I don't think I have a sodium deficiency....

Any advice?
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2008, 10:04:10 AM »

Keith, perhaps you will consider adding a listing of your food choices to your journal.  Not amounts necessarily, but a daily log of all foods eaten. 

Well, I usually don't deviate very much at all from what I listed in the first post, except that I do eat my meat with good amounts of organic kethchup... I've made the decision to stop buying and using this as I'm sure the extra refined sugars and salt aren't doing me any good. It's funny, the healthier I become, the more sensitive I am to the unhealthy things.

I have also had cramps in my heart where I feel like I can't breathe for the pain, and then with an inhale it clears itself.  Talk about scary.  I had that as a child even with no heart issues ever known then or since.  I felt this palpitation stuff more in my vegan years ... and liver issues too ... and fatness too.  Are you taking caffeine or alcohol at all?

Me too! I used to get that pretty frequently as a child... it would be an enormous cramp in my heart and I could not breathe because of how much it hurt, and the pain went away when I was finally able to get a deep breath. Hasn't happened in a great many years though, thank God. Oh, and I haven't had ANY caffeine or alcohol in years! Not a fan of alcohol at all...

No, I do not think it is the fat.  However, I have read that carbs and saturated fats (or maybe cholsterol) can be bad news for the heart/circulatory system when eaten together, but this would be things like bread and butter.  This comes from the work of biochemist Mary Enig, but I am afraid I don't know where.  Here is an extensive list of articles on fats, many written by her.
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

Also, I do not believe in a one-size-fits-all diet.  Maybe this is too much fat for YOU.  It certainly would not hurt for you to vary things and see how you fare.  Again, keeping an eye on food choices may well help you pinpoint any dietary triggers.  Finally, try eating some heart since doggy ate the spleen.  Smiley

I have low blood pressure and always have.  It ranges from 90/50 to 105/70, generally falling in the lower area.  Yes, I have grayed out and have had - what do they call it - orthostatic hypotension.  Yeah, that's it.  I dunno what to tell you, it comes and goes.  Let me look into it more and get back to you.

Well, like I said I have not had the dizziness or "graying out" at all since I started raw paleo, so don't break your neck looking for info if you don't want to!  Smiley  And I can't be sure that I had low BP, that's just my guess because of the symptoms. I'm pretty sure every time I've been to a doctor it read normal, but come to think of it, I haven't had it read in a long time... I try to avoid doctors as much as possible  Wink

Also, I kinda like the warrior diet idea of light food all day and then a substantial meal at night.  Some may disagree with the idea of food combining, and I welcome all opposing views in the spirit of learning, but you might also try separating fruits from meats.

As far as switching up the diet, I'm extremely happy with it so far minus the heart thing... the way I feel today compared to a couple months ago, both mentally and physically, is astonishing! I've tried the Warrior Diet style for a while and I do find that I do perfectly fine with multiple meals and food combining...
For right now, I've decided to do the following:
-chew my food better/eat more slowly... i find myself eating my meat so fast sometimes!
-get rid of that ketchup i'm eating my meat with
-become more regular with my consumption of cayenne pepper (a wonderful herb for heart health)

If I still am having problems after a while, I will look more into switching up my diet!

We are all so different!  Yet we have this common space to share ideas about and thrive on natural foods and lifestyles.  So cool.

Yes! Very cool indeed!  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2008, 10:09:56 AM »

I had some problems like that with some heart pain on and off last month.

I must have contracted parasites from my experiment with our not organic pork and probably infested with parasites pork.

Dr. Hulda Clark the ever parasite theory woman that she is said that they could be heart worms.
So I took my 1 tablespoon of DeWormer by http://www.Barefootherbalistmh.com and the next morning all heart pain was gone.

Good riddance to parasites.


I actually think I got a parasite a few weeks ago from eating some raw wild salmon that I bought from a grocery store... apparently almost all wild salmon carries parasites?

Anyway, I ate it then later that day I felt very nauseous. My mouth started salivating like CRAZY and I gagged a bit, and felt like I was ABOUT to throw up, but didn't. This repeated itself about once a day at random times for the next few days. It even happened in my sleep and I woke up because of it. I noticed allergies starting to come back as well. I started taking cayenne pepper again (I used to take it for allergies, but stopped needing it), to help with my allergies. It was around this time when I seriously was getting worried about the nausea I was experiencing and began wondering if I had a parasite. I read that cayenne pepper was really good to take to kill off parasites as well, so I was happy about that. From the first time I took the cayenne pepper I stopped getting those nauseous outbreaks!

Cayenne pepper seems to be good for lots of things!
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2008, 10:33:29 AM »

That happened to me the first time I went all RAF. I'm not sure if it was palpitaitons or a rapid heart-beat but it wasn't pleasant. I attributed it to sodium deficiency but then Lex's heart rate rose temporarily when he increased his animal fat intake to 80% of calories so that could have been a factor as well. I hope this only a result of your transition and isn't serious.

As for blood pressure, it should go down with increased fat intake and decreased carb intake:

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Excess insulin stimulates a wide variety of other metabolic systems: it encourages the kidneys to retain salt and fluid; it stimulates the production of cholesterol by the liver; it fuels an increase in triglyceride production; it thickens the muscular portion of the artery walls, increasing the risk for high blood pressure; and it sends a strong message to the fat cells to store incoming sugar and fat.

Insulin's actions are countered by the second metabolic hormone, glucagon. Glucagon sends signals to the kidneys to release excess salt and fluid, to the liver to slow down the production of cholesterol and triglycerides, to the artery wall to relax and drop blood pressure, and to the fat cells to release stored fat to be burned for energy. When insulin levels in the blood are high, however, they so overwhelm system that they suppress glucagon's actions.
From: http://drbass.com/eades.html
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