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Hiya, I am a newbie from London, UK, currently suffering from Candida overgrowth (all my life since age  , Chronic Fatigue syndrome and electrosensitivity. I have better energy than I did a couple of years ago, due to retraining as a nutritionist, but am still struggling with low energy, fatigue, back pain and creaky joints, coated tongue, constipation, starch/sugar cravings and blood sugar problems. Am currently taking anti-fungal Chinese herbs, which I've been on for 13 years, prior to that orthodox antifungals, like Nystatin. Read a lot about raw paleo recently and coming to the conclusion it may be the only way to help me. But I have some questions, which I haven't yet seen answered on the site or the Yahoo group. I tend to react badly to raw veggies with a lot of wind- I think my gut ferments things v easily. Bearing this weak digestion in mind, should I still be consuming this? I am a little worried about parasites in raw meat and fish, since although I've read AV's info (and here) on beneficial microflora, I know my own gut flora is seriously out of wack, hence the Candida, and I don't want to make this any worse. Will this not be a problem if all my meat and fish is wild/organic? Also, no one seems to eat raw nuts and seeds here.. is that a matter of choice for the individual, or are they seen as problematic? Also, no root vegetables either... Thanks and good health Elizabeth |
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 04:25:49 PM » |
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You don't need to eat veggies if they disagree with you. "Everything we need is in raw fruits and raw meat." - Wai Diet I don't eat veggies myself nowadays. I also tried raw vegan for a while. I eat raw pili nuts because that's what we got around here. http://www.myhealthblog.org/2007/12/15/delicious-nutritious-raw-pili-nuts-from-palawan/If you have back problems, they could be a primary cause of many problems, the nervous system must be in tip top shape. A requirement in healing. http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/chiropractic-treatments-nervous-system-fixingI, family members and friends have great success with virgin coconut oil detoxing. It's very hard but it works. It employs massive quantities of virgin coconut oil FAT and zero carbs as a fast for 3 days to stomp away candida / yeast / leaky gut super fast. I have heard some people are allergic to vco, but if you are not, then you may find your candida / yeast / leaky gut cure in 3 days. i used to have candida / yeast / leaky gut. My brother used to have it worse candida / yeast / leaky gut. http://tinyurl.com/vcodetox You may want to shift to a high fat diet. I just recently did, the raw paleo members here convinced me. Rami Nagel in his book how to cure tooth decay uses the Primal Diet (with raw dairy) and had great transition steps to strengthen digestion if you have leaky gut. See http://www.curetoothdecay.com One of our members here has experienced re-mineralizing of his teeth, I think it was Wodgina. I have a general cure manual outlining steps to curing yourself at http://www.curemanual.com . Of course when it comes to diet, I tell the folks there to visit the http://www.rawpaleoforum.com site because the experienced people are here. |
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 04:53:08 PM » |
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You don't have to eat raw veggies. Most rawpalaeos avoid them most of the time, even avoiding veggie-juice as well. I'm a case in point:- I eat maybe a bunch or two of raw carrots a year, a few bunches of radishes a year, the very occasional raw salad with raw apple-cider vinegar and raw extra virgin olive-oil, and a few bags of raw samphire during 1 to 3 of the summer months each year - other than that I avoid raw veggies totally.
So, listen to your body and avoid the veggies. You may, though, do OK with fermented raw vegetables like raw sauerkraut.
Re parasites:- Most people go through an initial bacteriophobic etc. period in which they consume a lot of anti-parasitical herbs such as raw garlic, onion, wormwood tincture, cayenne-pepper etc. etc., and most find, in the long run, that such methods are unnecessary, and stop doing that.( I've never had a single parasiticial episode despite eating organ-meats from wild animals on a frequent basis for years).
Re nuts/seeds/mushrooms:- One tends to become more hypersensitive to things like antinutrients in foods when one goes rawpalaeo. The result is that while soaking nuts and seeds in water for 24 hours does reduce the levels of antinutrients, it doesn't work 100%, and therefore rawists tend to get digestive issues over time with such(though not always). 1 reason why they're not staple rawpalaeo foods.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 04:21:54 AM » |
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Thanks very much to both of you for your comprehensive answers. I am familiar with Coconut oil, and have so far used it to cook in, since it doesn't degrade so much as polyunsat oils at high temps; I have actually done the coconut oil detox, and got a lot of die-off initially, but then symptoms came back. I think I will be incorporating more of it raw however, just as a way to add calories!
Fruit I don't do so well on, though low-carb fruit such as berries might be better. My system is so shot that even a little fruit can spark a massive rise in blood sugar and make me reach for the chocolate... I think one of the things I am struggling with a little on the raw paleo is the idea that so many of the things that make eating a pleasure (and here I'm even referring to raw veg) are sidelined... How exciting can it be to sit down to a meal of raw organ meat, fat and water? Or is it just a question of getting through that pain barrier and then these things becoming truly appealing??!!
Anyway, I had a totally raw breakfast this AM of avocado, slivers of squash and a raw egg. It was ok, but I can see myself getting hungry again soon :-)
Elizabeth
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2009, 04:35:48 AM » |
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Well, most rawpalaeos don't just eat raw meat, fat and water, they also eat fruit, eggs and seafood. Some even eat veg. And there's plenty of variety within meats, as one can go in for different organs(eg:- heart/liver/kidney/tongue/brains), different types of meat such as bison/venison/wild mallard duck etc. instead of the standard, boring meats such as beef, lamb, pork and chicken. There is, of course, another contributing factor and that is that one's tastes are determined, to a large extent, by one's habits. Most of us have been eating cooked food for so long that we're totally used to it, so that it takes c.8 to 12 months,(on average) to get used to and start enjoying the taste of raw meats. Eventually, you'll get to the stage where you'll be so used to raw foods that you will literally gag at the thought of eating some of the more highly processed foods you used to enjoy eating years before going raw. If you haven't already checked it out previously, I would strongly recommend that you check this website out as it contains info about the various weekly semi-organic farmers' markets in London under the LFM organisation:- http://www.lfm.org.uk/Not all of the above markets are suitable(some are too small, some are only held midweek etc.) , but most provide very good rawpaleo-friendly foods if one is prepared to look around and ask a lot of questions re what the animals are fed on etc. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2009, 05:21:12 AM » |
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Hi Elizabeth and welcome to the group! It's good to see another member on here from the UK in addition to Tyler and myself. I just wanted to add to what the others have said by suggesting you check out the work of Bee Wilder with regard to your candida problems. There is a fantastic Yahoo Group you can join here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidasupport/ or she also has her own website here: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php. Bee's candida programme is the most consistently successful I know of and she has endless long-term successes. She takes very much a Weston Price view with regards to diet but, personally, I think it can be adapted to incorporate raw paleo. I'm only now committing to following her programme myself after also suffering lifelong candida problems which have not been solved on my 8 years of a RAF diet. I genuinely think you'll find her information and group absolutely invaluable! Good luck! Michael |
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2009, 09:25:57 AM » |
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Hi again, this Candida site looks very helpful, thank you. I know quite a lot about candida, but it looks as if it could teach me some new things... especially interesting is what Bee says about the fungal form of yeast making cell membranes rigid... this also correlates to what happens in electrosensitivity, where EM signals force red blood cells to 'crenellate', literally fold on themselves, thereby reducing their ability to carry oxygen... I know I have a long way to go with this, but I think raw paleo is going to offer me some new solutions, if only to decrease the stress on my body. I've already had a look at the London Farmers' network, and there are 3 near me, which I am planning to visit soon. The raw eggs from this morning went down ok- if it's good enough for Rocky!!  Elizabeth |
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2009, 09:26:51 AM » |
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Hi again, this Candida site looks very helpful, thank you. I know quite a lot about candida, but it looks as if it could teach me some new things... especially interesting is what Bee says about the fungal form of yeast making cell membranes rigid... this also correlates to what happens in electrosensitivity, where EM signals force red blood cells to 'crenellate', literally fold on themselves, thereby reducing their ability to carry oxygen... I know I have a long way to go with this, but I think raw paleo is going to offer me some new solutions, if only to decrease the stress on my body. I've already had a look at the London Farmers' network, and there are 3 near me, which I am planning to visit soon. The raw eggs from this morning went down ok- if it's good enough for Rocky!! Elizabeth |
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2009, 08:42:47 AM » |
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Hi Michael
I'm interested (and perhaps a little dismayed) to hear that a raw animal diet hasn't cured your Candida (since this is the main reason I'm turning to raw); do you mind me asking what symptoms you have and why you think you have not improved as a result of going raw paleo?
Thanks again Tyler for the tips on markets in London. Went to one of the LFM ones this morning and picked up some grass-fed mutton, which I am marinating at the moment, to eat later- my first experiment in eating raw meat! Will let you know how I get on :-)
BTW. felt much calmer yesterday- had my first fully raw breakfast and largely raw lunch.
Cheers
Elizabeth
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2009, 09:18:34 AM » |
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Hi Elizabeth, I can understand your dismay. However, do not let it impact upon your hopes for a raw animal food diet. I haven't stayed with it for 8 years for no reason. I do believe it has saved me from previously very poor health and has given me back my life to a very large extent. I've been eating RAF since Sept 2001. Probably the first 4 years of this I was following the Primal diet as advocated by Aajonus Vonderplanitz (as were many on this forum, at some point, I believe). This included LOTS of raw dairy incl milk, cream & cheese in addition to lots of good raw honey, raw vegetable juices, fruit etc. Forgive me if you're aware of this. Of course, these are all 'candida-forbidden' foods which - depending on which theories one subscribes to - serve only to feed the fungus and complicate the disease. Even since this time, I have never TOTALLY excluded these foods - merely reduced my consumption of them. It's only over these last weeks that I've started to eradicate ALL candida conducive foods from my diet. In fact, I am now well on my way to experimenting with zero-carb whereby I'd consume only a variety of meats and fats. At this point, my symptoms are mild compared to how they used to be. The brain fog has certainly not completely gone, my energy levels still require close attention, various skin fungus eruptions come and go (dandruff, athletes foot etc), chemical sensitivity, electro-sensitivity etc. But, as I said, improved beyond recognition thanks purely to 8 years of RAF! I just want to eliminate them completely! I hope you enjoy your grass-fed mutton! Funny enough, that is the exact same food I am largely existing on at the moment having found a wonderful source. I am sure you will love it and will not look back!  Enjoy this forum too. It's a wonderful gathering place of radical yet intelligent, informed individuals willing to share their experiences and knowledge whilst leaving their idealism and ego's at the door. |
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1. When offered something that is too good to be true. It is.
2. Greed and fear are poor states of mind in which to make decisions; like shopping at the supermarket when you are hungry.
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