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« Reply #440 on: July 15, 2009, 11:16:23 pm »
Phil,
I find it interesting that advertisers of supplements have convinced us that urine PH mirrors blood and/or tissue PH.  Of course this isn't true at all.  Our bodies must maintain a very narrow PH range around 7.4 or serious problems result.  No matter what you eat or how acidic or alkaline your urine is, your blood will maintain a PH of 7.4 +- .05.  I have no idea what causes the urine or saliva to vary its PH, but it clearly doesn't have anything to do with the PH of the blood or tissues.

There is all kinds of speculation as to how the body maintains this very narrow range.  The conventional wisdom is that when PH falls (goes acidic) then calcium is pulled from the bones to offset the acidity.  It is also said that this is shown by an acidic urine or saliva.  I think this is all nonsense.  It sounds good but doesn't make sense if thought through. If calcium were truly being pulled from the bones to neutralize the acid, then how could the urine or saliva possibly be acidic - it was neutralized.

 My urine consistently runs very acidic with a PH of 5.0 to 5.5 and my bone density does not seem to have deteriorated over the last 4 years and as I noted in my previous post on the subject, my dental health has improved significantly.

I have an annual physical coming up and I'll ask my doctor for a bone density test this year.  I have an HMO so it may require approval, but if they allow it, I'll post the results.

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« Reply #441 on: July 16, 2009, 07:49:32 am »
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...The conventional wisdom is that when PH falls (goes acidic) then calcium is pulled from the bones to offset the acidity.  It is also said that this is shown by an acidic urine or saliva.  I think this is all nonsense.  It sounds good but doesn't make sense if thought through. If calcium were truly being pulled from the bones to neutralize the acid, then how could the urine or saliva possibly be acidic - it was neutralized.
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Excellent point. Why didn't I think of that? You are obviously have a better baloney detector than I. My thinking had been that just enough bone was being leached to keep the urine at around 6.5 or so. But now that I see that human carnivore urine runs at 5.0-5.5, that excuse seems very far fetched indeed. If bone truly were being leached away you would have disappeared by now. :D

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My urine consistently runs very acidic with a PH of 5.0 to 5.5 and my bone density does not seem to have deteriorated over the last 4 years and as I noted in my previous post on the subject, my dental health has improved significantly.
My urine has been in precisely the same range the past couple of days, so my guess is that's the norm for human carnivores.

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I have an annual physical coming up and I'll ask my doctor for a bone density test this year.  I have an HMO so it may require approval, but if they allow it, I'll post the results.
Well, I guess you can justify it to yourself from a medical perspective to check, just to be safe, since you are a pioneer, as well as to validate that your current health therapy (nutrition) is fairly optimal.

If you ever get a urinalysis done, maybe your doc would order a bone scan on that basis alone, if he accepts the acid/alkaline theory--but it's pretty controversial even in conventional circles, so I don't know if he would. My guess is he would just lecture you about eating more greens.

Given our knowledge via Paleo nutrition that even the so-called "normal" vital stats used by the labs are suboptimal, it's ironic that the healthcare reformers argue that doctors perform too many tests. That's probably true for expensive tests designed to see if someone should get surgery (like CT scans and x-rays), but there are many relatively inexpensive prevention-oriented tests that doctors should be ordering at every patient visit until health is optimized (for example: nonfasting blood glucose, HDL and triglycerides, nutrient levels). Of course, if they already embraced Paleo nutrition, the docs would only need to run the tests every once in a while to try to motivate their patients into starting or maintaining a Paleo nutrition program.
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« Reply #442 on: July 16, 2009, 02:42:15 pm »
Phil,
I get a full Metabolic Panel, CBC, TSH, PSA, Lipids, A1c, and urinalysis every year.  You can see the results in the first entry in my journal.  As far as blood tests and other similar stuff, my doctor is glad to do whatever I ask.  It only gets sticky if it is something out of the norm where there is no evidence of a problem, and then the HMO may question it.

I try to post the results of all my lab work every year as well as any issues I'm facing and my overall progress (or decline :().  This lets people see the long term effects of my way of eating - good or bad - and they can hopefully make better decisions for their own life.

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« Reply #443 on: July 16, 2009, 03:10:10 pm »
I'll be checking in to see how you go and I'm especially interested to see where your at with bone density. Maybe we could chip in if your declined. There's more than a few interested people.


I try to post the results of all my lab work every year as well as any issues I'm facing and my overall progress (or decline :().  This lets people see the long term effects of my way of eating - good or bad - and they can hopefully make better decisions for their own life.

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I suspect your on the right track.


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« Reply #444 on: July 16, 2009, 10:08:38 pm »
Phil,
I get a full Metabolic Panel, CBC, TSH, PSA, Lipids, A1c, and urinalysis every year. ....
Lex
Oh yeah, I forgot about that sorry. And thanks for sharing your results, findings and analyses. You're providing a very valuable service to us.
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« Reply #445 on: July 17, 2009, 07:46:24 am »
It is July and time for my annual physical which I had 2 days ago.  I got the results of the blood test today and they are attached below as a PDF file.
My doctor just shook his head when he saw them.  All the dire problems he predicted just have not materialized.  Most everything is pretty much the same but some items beg comment.

Blood Lipids (Cholesterol and Triglycerides)

Initially (about 5 years ago) my total cholesterol was up around 250.  Unfortunately the labs from this time period are not available.  I then started ZC in ernest in Decenber of 2005 but didn't get my next physical and blood test until July of 2007.  My 2007 labs are posted in the first entry of this journal and you will see that after about 18 months total cholesterol had dropped a bit to 237.  My July 2008 blood work, also posted in the first entry of this journal, shows that after 30 months total cholesterol had dropped to 189.  This year after 42 months total cholesterol dropped again and is now 175.  So I've had a 75 point drop over about 4 year period eating nothing but meat and fat.

Triglycerides were initially up around 500 but had dropped into the upper 40s by the 2007 test and were 52 in the 2008 and 50 in the current 2009 test so this seems to have stabilized.

Blood Glucose

Initially fasting BG was in the 135-140 range.  By 2007 BG had dropped to 111 and for both the 2008 and current 2009 test is 97 and 99 respectively.  It appears that BG has also pretty much stabilized, though at a higher level than expected.  One would think that BG would fall dramatically into the lower ranges of the 70s and 80s since I’m not eating any carbs but it seems that this is not the case.  My assumption is that my body has converted as many systems as possible to using fatty acids as their primary fuel.  The body seems to convert a certain portion of all protein eaten and probably any excess glycerol in the fat consumed into BG and since there are few tissues that require it, it BG tends to rise.  My guess is that at some trigger point a small amount of insulin is released causing the excess BG to be stored as body fat which is then burned as fatty acids between meals.  Is this idea correct?  Who knows – it’s just a guess. 

A1c
This is supposed to be a test that shows a general average of BG levels over a 2 to 3 month period.  This is the first year I’ve been given an A1c test.  The level came out 6.0% which is surprising since this supposedly relates to an average BG level of 135 mg/dl or so.  I keep a careful watch on my BG and over the past year I don’t think it has ever risen above 105 and it seldom drops below 90.  My guess is that A1c is not a very good predictor when BG is extremely stable.  Anyway, I’ll continue to ask for this test in the future just to see where it goes.  I do wish I had asked for this test in previous years as it would have been interesting to see if the levels had changed much.

PSA
Due to my BPH issue I keep a sharp watch on PSA.  In 2004 it was 4.1 and my doctor wanted to follow up with a biopsy which I declined.  Just too many horror stories of men that were doing just fine until they got their prostates punctured a dozen times for a biopsy and then it was a rapid down hill ride to a prostectomy.  Needless to say I want to avoid this at all cost.  In my 2007 blood test which was the next test where PSA was run after 2004, my PSA was 0.6.  In 2008 it went to 1.5 and this year it is 1.6.  I expect the 0.6 was an anomaly since I started at 4.1 but I’m very pleased with my current levels as these too seem to have stabilized.  The symptoms of early stage BPH still persist but they have not worsened by any measurable amount since I started ZC and seem to have actually improved a bit, but nothing dramatic. 

One thing seems clear.  It takes time for many of the changes the body makes when there is a major change in dietary protocol.  As you can see, cholesterol is still dropping after 4 years.  Most of the others took about 2 years before they reached a stable level.  The idea that we are fully adapted and the body has made all the adjustments it is going too after 8 weeks of ZC just doesn’t hold up based on actual lab results.

I’m extremely pleased with where this adventure has taken me and will continue forging ahead for the foreseeable future as the lifestyle and way of eating have certainly proved beneficial.

BTW - I did ask for a comprehensive bone density test which was submitted to my HMO for approval.  If that materializes I will post the results.  Keep your fingers crossed.

Glad to answer any questions,

Lex

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« Reply #446 on: July 17, 2009, 08:20:11 am »
that all sounds very positive to me lex, another point for raw 'grass fed' animal fat i think.

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« Reply #447 on: July 17, 2009, 08:49:55 am »
Congrats Lex! I would also contribute toward the cost of your bone density test. If it's a DEXA scan you want, I read that those range around $200 - $300 for cash customers. We might be able to cut that down to size here if we raised some funds.
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« Reply #448 on: July 17, 2009, 06:13:45 pm »
Lex,

That's encouraging!

Have you already tried to reduce your protein intake (keeping fat intake constant) to see if your BG and A1c lower ?

After several years on a zero carb diet, your body may needs less carbs ?


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« Reply #449 on: July 18, 2009, 08:00:38 am »
Have you already tried to reduce your protein intake (keeping fat intake constant) to see if your BG and A1c lower ?

Hmmmm, you can't lower protein and keep fat constant without significantly altering calorie intake.  Based on my experiments, (and at this point in time) total calories seem to have a greater affect on my BG than the fat/protein ratio.

After several years on a zero carb diet, your body may needs less carbs ?

I think you meant to say less glucose? Anyway, I'm sure this is true and is probably what is causing BG to seem elevated.  Glucose can come from protein OR fat and from either diet or breakdown of body tissues (as when fasting).

Protein seems to be turned into BG as some relatively consistent rate - maybe 58%?  Fat is eaten and stored in the triglyceride form which contains a molecule of glycerol.  When the fat is broken down (either by digestion or breaking down body fat), and, if the fatty acids are used as the primary fuel for the body, then the glycerol will remain free as there won't be surplus fatty acids to create a new triglyceride.  The surplus glycerol will also be converted to glucose.  It takes 2 glycerol molecules to make on molecule of glucose so this means that about 10% -12% of the fat will potentially be converted to glucose as well.

Since my body needs little BG, the glucose just collects in the blood until it reaches some trigger level where insulin will be released to cause the excess BG to be converted to fatty acids and either burned as fuel or stored as body fat.  Speculation, but from what I think I know about this stuff, this idea seems reasonable.

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