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« Reply #930 on: January 06, 2010, 05:38:48 PM »

Lex, I know you are aware of the "alternative" ways of getting rid of these little buggers immediately like the lemon cure, etc.  Why not get rid of these stones pronto?

GS, years ago I tried the "lemon cure" and cranberry juice and other recommended remedies for kidney stones and none of them worked at all. The only thing that helped me was eliminating gluten and adopting a conventional cooked Paleo diet. I went from having chronic kidney stones and urine that was frequently brown or oily or blood-spotted or particle-filled to crystal clear. Gradually it became hay-colored. Now that I eat raw carnivore, my urine is yellow and bubbly, but so far no brown, oily, blood-spotted or particle-filled urine.
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> Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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« Reply #931 on: January 06, 2010, 08:26:46 PM »

Lex, I know you are aware of the "alternative" ways of getting rid of these little buggers immediately like the lemon cure, etc.  Why not get rid of these stones pronto?

Tried several and none worked.  Did the lemon cure, Celery seed cure, Coke & asparagus cure, cranberry cure, and a couple of others.  Believe me, when you are in the kind of pain these things cause you'll try anything hoping for a miracle. Unfortunately, no miracle happened and there was no change to the size or position of the stones.

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« Reply #932 on: January 06, 2010, 08:35:26 PM »

Yes only morphine is capable to allieviate the pain.

There is however a natural way that helped me repeatedly to get some release and rest when I expelled my kidney stones . It's just a fairly hot (above 40 °C) bath that relaxes all the organs under stress (uretera, bladder, uretra) and favors the progression of the stones with less pain.

Very interesting.  I also found that a very hot bath or shower was the only thing other than morphine that had any effect.  The hot water does seem to relax everything and though I can't say it speeds things up, under some circumstances it does seem to reduce the pain temporarily.  It doesn't work every time though.  If the pain is very intense, indicating to me a very narrow area that the stone is passing through, then nothing but morphine will work and even that won't eliminate all the pain - just makes it tollerable.

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« Reply #933 on: January 06, 2010, 08:44:17 PM »

"stone" conjures up something with smooth surfaces.  Is this a bad assumption on my part?   do these actually have sharp edges  and needles?

The stone is more like an open crystal structure with sharp points and small needle like projections.  It scrapes its way through ureters and urethera shredding tissue along the way.  The only way I can describe the pain is to think of very slowly ripping your stomach open with the point of an ice pick while continuosly pouring alcohol on the wound.  The pain is relentless and can continue at an intense level for hours at a time.

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« Reply #934 on: January 06, 2010, 08:52:01 PM »

How much freezer space have you? I've found it awkward to have only 10 cu. ft.

I have a 7 cu ft chest freezer that is dedicated to storing my meat and can easily store 3 to 4 months worth of food.  That's somewhere between 180 and 240 lbs.

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« Reply #935 on: January 07, 2010, 07:16:50 AM »

I just did a couple of saltwater flushes.  1 tablespoon (15ml) of salt mixed with 1 quart (1 litre) of water.  Mix well and drink all of it quickly.  I did this the morning and again in the evening of the day before the exam, and didn’t eat anything from the time I started until the exam was over.

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Lex, I had a go at this (only I used rocksalt because that's what I happen to have) and only had an output of some brown water (I expected to have a lot come out - I have experienced that eating meat and fat does kind of "line" the colon more than we would like to believe) in the morning. You did it again in the evening - did this have a different affect or did you have the same kind of result as in the morning?

Did you drink more during the day and did you feel bloated in any why after or during the following days?

How's the running going?

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« Reply #936 on: January 07, 2010, 06:22:13 PM »

Tried several and none worked.  Did the lemon cure, Celery seed cure, Coke & asparagus cure, cranberry cure, and a couple of others.  ...
I doubt you'll try it again, but to further warn others I'll note that the Coke & asparagus cure is particularly bogus, as the phosphoric acid in colas has been linked to the creation of kidney stones (see http://www.dailyherald.com/story/print/?id=232972 and
http://www.doctoryourself.com/kidney.html, for example).
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> "Medicine improved exponentially when the tinkering barber surgeons took over from the high theorists. They just went with what worked, irrespective of why it worked." -Nassim Taleb
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> Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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« Reply #937 on: January 07, 2010, 07:41:15 PM »

Lex, I had a go at this (only I used rocksalt because that's what I happen to have) and only had an output of some brown water (I expected to have a lot come out - I have experienced that eating meat and fat does kind of "line" the colon more than we would like to believe) in the morning. You did it again in the evening - did this have a different affect or did you have the same kind of result as in the morning?

I used plain salt (not iodized salt).  For it to work, the salt concentration must be pretty high, at least 15 ml (1 tablespoon) per litre (quart).

I have no evidence that there is anything sticking to the sides or lining the colon.  I wonder how you know that this is happening to you since it would take a colonoscopy to see it.  I’ve had a colonoscopy while eating only meat and fat and there was no evidence of anything sticking to my colon or lining it.  In fact, the opposite was true.  My colon was clean and smooth.

Did you drink more during the day and did you feel bloated in any why after or during the following days?

Gosh, I really don’t remember drinking more or less or whether I felt bloated or not.  At the time I was much more concerned about the medical procedure.


How's the running going?

I run now and then but not regularly.  I try to walk 10 – 12 miles (15-20 km) per week while getting as close to full body sun exposure as public modesty will allow.

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« Reply #938 on: January 07, 2010, 07:56:39 PM »

I doubt you'll try it again, but to further warn others I'll note that the Coke & asparagus cure is particularly bogus, as the phosphoric acid in colas has been linked to the creation of kidney stones (see http://www.dailyherald.com/story/print/?id=232972 and
http://www.doctoryourself.com/kidney.html, for example).

I found the Coke and asparagus cure rather amusing, especially when reading the "why it works" section of the documentation.  The theory is that since phosphoric acid will dissolve calcium based stuff like bones and teeth, then it should dissolve calcium based kidney stones as well, right?  Well, it is true that if you put bone or a tooth (or a calcium based kidney stone) into a jar filled with Coke it will soften and dissolve them.  The problem comes with the idea that the phosphoric acid will be directly absorbed from the stomach into the blood and then go to the kidneys and dissolve the calcium based kidney stones.  If this were to actually happen we'd quickly die from low blood ph.  Just as our stomach acid is neutralized in the digestion process, any acidic food is neutralized as well.  Like most magic cures, they sound good to the uninformed, but fall apart under close scrutiny.

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« Reply #939 on: January 08, 2010, 04:11:31 AM »

^ I imagine it could work if they could find a way to perforate the tract and poor the stuff in directly over the stone. Should be possible, at least in my mind, but maybe the stone would need to sit in the solution for a while in order to start dissolving significantly.
The last option is surgery, of course.
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