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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2010, 09:59:29 PM »

What do you think determines the difference?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 12:15:00 AM »

I don't know.  Mary at North Star  bison wanted to know when I would get a bad tasting one to check out with that particular animal, but it never happened.  It could be any number or things.  But typically they were kind of rubbery, not as dark and rich looking and rather bland.
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2010, 04:19:51 AM »


Well I bought the organs from a supermarket (if that counts) because I cant find any butcher store that sells cow organs here. They only have pig or chicken organs.

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2010, 06:13:56 AM »

You're comparing apples to oranges. A fairer comparison would be to tallow. I just ate some of the cultured pasture butter I bought and I much prefer my homemade tallow. I also didn't get as much of a feeling of well being after eating my ground beef with butter as I do with tallow, though I've only tried the butter twice now, and I'm gradually increasing the amounts to see what I can tolerate. Some people claim that after you've avoided gluten for a while you can handle dairy products better, so I'm testing that.

Tallow is heated, right?

I used my slow juicer to make some suet into a very fine paste and it's about the same texture as butter. Still doesn't taste as good, as for the well being part I can say that I feel better with butter. I only tried suet instead of butter yesterday, and not as a paste, so this could improve.



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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2010, 09:28:20 AM »

Tallow is heated, right?

I used my slow juicer to make some suet into a very fine paste and it's about the same texture as butter. Still doesn't taste as good, as for the well being part I can say that I feel better with butter. I only tried suet instead of butter yesterday, and not as a paste, so this could improve.


Yes, tallow is heated, though I have found that as little as 130 F is sufficient, and I'm hoping to get that down further with a rheostat. Some people apparently consider 130 F to be sufficiently raw, but Tyler does not and I want to see if even lower temps provide additional benefit. Heating and filtering works wonders in removing the strong taste from the suet. William has also reported this. I can't imagine just juicing it would have the same effect. In the longer run I plan on making a mix like Lex's, which should mask the taste of the suet. Have you tried mixing the suet with beef?

Was the suet you used grassfed or grain-finished? Was the source Slankers?

I ended up developing nausea after eating the room-temp cultured pastured pasteurized butter last night and found it pretty disgusting to eat, so that ends my experiment with that. The results were not as negative as in the past, so that does suggest I've had some GI healing, but they were still negative. I think I'll try making it into ghee to see if that makes any difference, since some people here and elsewhere have claimed that ghee doesn't trigger problems in people with sensitivities to casein and whey. Some day I'll probably try raw cultured butter too, because I found a local source of raw dairy that might have it--assuming they'll sell me a small test quantity. It's even more expensive, of course, so this will just be a scientific inquiry rather than a search for a practical food source.

I like the taste and mouth feel of heat-melted butter, but not the more solid room-temp butter (I find the mouth feel to be particularly unpleasant), whereas I prefer tallow in soft solid form over it's liquid form. If pastured cultured butter were cheaper and I didn't react negatively to it I would probably use it as a secondary or tertiary source of fat, probably in its heat-melted form, but there are just too many negatives in my case for me to use it.
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> "Medicine improved exponentially when the tinkering barber surgeons took over from the high theorists. They just went with what worked, irrespective of why it worked." -Nassim Taleb
> "no one would touch this type of diet unless they'd tried everything else and this diet alone worked" -T.D.
> Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2010, 12:22:12 PM »

Have you tried mixing the suet with beef?

Was the suet you used grassfed or grain-finished? Was the source Slankers?

I ate it with beef heart.

I have no way to know if something is grassfed if I buy it from a store, because there is no labeling for that here. I'd probably have to do too much detective work to find out. Usually butchers work with small or large farms and they do not make any distinction.



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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2010, 01:05:06 PM »

I ate it with beef heart.

I have no way to know if something is grassfed if I buy it from a store, because there is no labeling for that here. I'd probably have to do too much detective work to find out. Usually butchers work with small or large farms and they do not make any distinction.

OK, that could explain the different experiences. I don't get the well-being feeling from standard grainfed suet and meat and I find supermarket suet and even organic grain-finished suet also contains more connective tissue, brown bits and moisture than 100% grassfed that make the flavor of the suet even worse if I don't render it (and it makes poor tallow too).

Unfortunately, Lex just suggested that low-heating my suet to 130F may have a negative effect on its fatty acid bioavailability, so I may have to adjust what I'm doiing as well.
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> Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2010, 04:05:19 PM »


At this moment, for me, butter seems to beat suet by far.

When I tried to witch completely to suet I did not realize how hard it is to digest because I was eating it with high meats and when I ate it with fresh muscle meats... ohh the pain. I haven't had indigestion for a looong time, even when overeating junk foods.

I will only try suet in small quantities or maybe experiment with a gradual increase.

I would love to not relay on butter so much because it's sometimes hard to find raw.
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