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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 09:50:07 AM »

Yes, surely.

Fortunately I can get raw thyroid here. However, I have seen many warnings that adrenals must be adressed first. Besides, my thyroid testing lab results came out normal (free T4 is 17.87 with 10-25 normal range, free T3 is 12.64 with 5.4-14 normal and TTH is 1.33 when 0.25-5.2 is OK). So, I presume I don’t need any thyroid supplementation at present.

Why do adrenals need to be fixed first? Never heard of this, before.
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 10:03:13 AM »

But cortisol also plays an important role for you as a thyroid patient. Namely, it helps cell receptors receive thyroid hormones from the blood to the cells. On the other side of the coin, low cortisol can result in high amounts of thyroid hormones to build in the blood, making your free T3 and/or free T4 labs look high in range with continuing hypo symptoms, or causing hyper-like symptoms on doses of Armour which shouldn’t produce those symptoms. The latter can include anxiety or nervousness, light-headedness, shakiness, dizziness, racing heart, sudden weakness, nausea, feeling hot, or any symptom which seems like an over-reaction to Armour, but are in reality low cortisol symptoms. Low cortisol can also keep you hypothyroid with hypo symptoms.

taken from http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

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52) What sequence do I treat the hormones? What about the sex hormones? If the adrenals are weak, it is best to treat the low cortisol before working up to high levels of thyroid medication. And it is best to fully support these 2 before attempting to supplement the sex hormones, as they can change after the adrenals and thyroid are supported. To put it another way, if there is an imbalance of the adrenal and thyroid hormones, it can cause problems with the other hormones. If you know that you have an imbalance, it is fine to address it, but be alert for changes as your treatment progresses.

taken from http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 10:18:30 AM »

But, presumably, this is only if you're using artificial hormones?  If you're just eating the raw glands, you'll be rebuilding the gland so that it produces enough of the right hormone.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 03:52:33 PM »

Yuri, believe in your self; your body and mind have grate power, more than you believe. Find positive energy from words you pick up on this forum, which help your mind to grow with your body.

Perhaps you will find time to read the messages on this forum to help paint your picture - "Charles" seems worth following up:

http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion.com/showthread.php?tid=334&page=1

I am sorry about your mother - time will heal and replenish you with the spirit you wish/choose.

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2008, 01:40:05 AM »

But, presumably, this is only if you're using artificial hormones?  If you're just eating the raw glands, you'll be rebuilding the gland so that it produces enough of the right hormone.

Well, I was also thinking that way...

There are numerous warnings in the web, for example:

"If low-thyroid people with these symptoms are put on thyroid hormone alone, they sometimes respond negatively. These people may have coexistent, but hidden, low adrenal. If they take thyroid hormone by itself, the resultant increased metabolism may accelerate the low adrenal problem.

The addition of thyroid hormone in this situation unmasks the also disturbing low adrenal situation. The proper approach in this case is to treat the patient with thyroid and adrenal support simultaneously."

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamesadrenal.htm

I mean, no matter what kind of thyroid supplement you take, either in the form of raw thyroid or synthetic one, the effects of the hormones supplied is the same.

Before my kidney stones accident I was eating raw thyroid liberaly but must admit it didn't do me much good. Besides, most of the adrenal sufferers I comunicated with witnessed some harmful side-effects from thyroid supplementation without adressing adrenals first. They reported different complications and, in some cases, even "adrenal crash". That is when I understood the importance of incorporating thyroid support slowly.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2008, 01:42:54 AM »

Yuri, believe in your self; your body and mind have grate power, more than you believe. Find positive energy from words you pick up on this forum, which help your mind to grow with your body.

Perhaps you will find time to read the messages on this forum to help paint your picture - "Charles" seems worth following up:

http://www.livinlowcarbdiscussion.com/showthread.php?tid=334&page=1

I am sorry about your mother - time will heal and replenish you with the spirit you wish/choose.

Nicola

Hi Nicola

Yeah, thanks for the support. Surely, I won't give up.
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2008, 02:30:51 AM »

Yes, surely.

Fortunately I can get raw thyroid here. However, I have seen many warnings that adrenals must be adressed first. Besides, my thyroid testing lab results came out normal (free T4 is 17.87 with 10-25 normal range, free T3 is 12.64 with 5.4-14 normal and TTH is 1.33 when 0.25-5.2 is OK). So, I presume I don’t need any thyroid supplementation at present.

I've had my thyroid checked twice in the last 10 years, I don't know the numbers but they were in the normal range.
Even though my tests come back 'normal' my thyroid has ached for years. If it aches really bad when I wake up and doesn't go away soon after it usually means its going to be a rather shit day. At the moment I believe mine is candida related (could be wrong?) as my die off days have seemed to coincide with thyroid ache days. There seems to be a lot of talk on the web about a candida thyroid connection both by guru's and anecdotal.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2008, 02:42:19 AM »

I've had my thyroid checked twice in the last 10 years, I don't know the numbers but they were in the normal range.
Even though my tests come back 'normal' my thyroid has ached for years. If it aches really bad when I wake up and doesn't go away soon after it usually means its going to be a rather shit day. At the moment I believe mine is candida related (could be wrong?) as my die off days have seemed to coincide with thyroid ache days. There seems to be a lot of talk on the web about a candida thyroid connection both by guru's and anecdotal.

Yeah, here is the link:

http://www.naturallythriving.com/articles/candida2.php
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 08:20:50 AM »


The time has come. Time to realistically and pragmatically asses my general health condition. I have made overwhelming efforts to feel well. It baffles me to say at least to see no improvements. And it is really disappointing as good health is so crucially needed at this stage of my life/career. However, I must somehow get to the roots of things, understand what is wrong and fix it as soon as possible. And it is extremely tall order as I can’t see any options available as of yet. I mean, what should I change/improve as on a paper there is no way for improvement, or so it seems…

Since I started my Journal here I was trying to make up mind regarding what kind of nutritional strategy to adopt. In the process I realized that there is so much controversial diet related information in the internet that I sometimes wonder whether it is possible at all to reach any reasonable conclusion. Today, I feel like I know even less than what I did 2 or 3 years ago when I had to blindly follow a program implanted by parents. Raw or cooked? Zero-cab or low-carb? 3 meals a day or IF? Vegetables or no vegetables? SFA, MFA, PUFA? With or without salt? Macronutrients ratios etc. etc. etc.

I also have to mention that as long as any diet or dietary concept is concerned I have my hands tied as I struggle to eat normal or even minimal amount of food. If I consume more than half of lb of meat my day/night would be destroyed as a result of uneasiness and distracting feeling of presence of food in the stomach. This drives me mad.

As you all know from my previous posts I have a rather wide field of concerns. Of course, it would have been much easier to decide what to do should I know what is wrong with me. However, what is evident is that I don’t feel well to put it mildly. My major issues include poor digestion, lack of energy and pain in every possible part of my body. As I said before most of my symptoms resemble adrenal fatigue, but I still can’t be sure about it.

I was also considering candida. And it is no coincidence that it was mentioned here first thing for me to look to. But I thought if I had candida I would have benefited from my two months long zero carb  experiment. I would have continued that way of eating shouldn't I developed kidney stones. Now I see that fiber is essential in curing candida. A moderator of the anti-candida group stated that “fiber in veggies actually feeds the good bacteria in your gut so you don't want to just try to eat zero carb because you are going to get rid of candida faster, it doesn't work like that.
The fiber helps absorb toxins in your gut and sweep them out, and the nutrients help boost your immune system. Veggies are one of those things you want to choose carefully, choosing the highest nutrients and fiber veggies and ones that work for your body. Veggies are one of those things you also want to keep in balance, not too high and not too low.”

In my situation I must find a reasonable balance as far as carbs consumption is concerned, both in order to avoid reoccurrence of stones in the future and get rid of candida.

It was easy to eat some fruit and honey to maintain proper level of carbs in the diet. But if one tries to overcome candida the abovementioned foods are plainly unacceptable. And you know what, when I excluded sugary carbs (fruit/honey) I realized how difficult is to hit 50-60 g of carbs daily. In order to do that one should consume at least a kilo of veggs. And even this huge amount of plant stuff would only yield as little as 5% of estimated total caloric intake… Heck, no way one can reach Cordain’s suggestion of 35/65 ratio. A person must become a plant processing machine in order to accomplish that…

So the next step for me was to find out what foods I have to use instead. After carefully considering the situation, and bearing in mind seasonable nature of most vegetable foods in the place I live, I came to the conclusion that I will have to heavily rely on cabbage, which is available almost all year round.

And to make it palatable I chose to ferment it. On the one hand, I will have a good tasty source of fibrous carb and on the other it will provide beneficial flora in the gut.

Apart from cabbage I can only get hold of garlic and onion on the regular basis. Armed with this, I seriously intend to conquer candida, whether I have it or not.

I should mention avocados, but this product has several question marks. First, it is always imported in unripe form. Second, I cannot check the source from where it comes. Third, the price… for you to have a clear picture I may use the following analogy: 2 small avocadoes = 20 local reference units = 1 kilo of organs = one lb of the cheapest muscle meat = 10 kilos of marrow bones = 20 kilos of cabbage. So this is not satisfactory option.

Well, lets proceed to the practical aspects now…

As of the 1-rst of August I decided to make several crucial decisions related to the diet. First of all, I realized that I have never tried low carb diet which is low in sugar. I experimented with zero carb (unsuccessfully) but as long as I added back some carbs they inevitably came from fruits or honey, i.e. sugary sources. That is why I came to the conclusion that I should try zero sugar but very low carb diet. Low carb because for the reasons explained above as one cannot eat enough carbs without sugars and starches. And to my delight, no sugar diet is good for both, poor adrenal and healing candida. A kind of win-win situation.

Next, since I seriously decided to clear myself from candida, whether I have it or not, I can no longer eat any dairy… so despite I hate wasting any food, I had to throw away the leftovers of cream by Friday, as this was the day when I adopted my new strategy. This job was eased at that moment by the fact that I stopped to consider dairy as a food…

Yes, you got me right. No diary, no sugar (honey, fruit whatsoever else). Just organs, meat, marrow and cabbage Wink I want to avoid intermittent fasting so I would eat twice per day, before I leave home for work and after I get back. I will also take some calcium/magnesium supplements for a while to calm myself and ease concerns related to the possible lack of nutrients which may result from such diet or be due to my poor digestion. I will also report when I get hold of adrenal cortex extract.

So, here is my test philosophy in a nutshell:
1 NO SUGAR, NO DAIRY, NO STARCH
2 AT LEAST some carbs to prevent stones formation and provide body with completely oxidized faty acids
3 minimal mineral supplements
4 raw paleo diet, meats and marrow
5 IsoCort (pending)
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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 08:37:29 AM »

Good idea on fermenting the cabbage.
When I read that you were going to start eating cabbage, I was going to respond saying "You should ferment it and that might help with your digestion!"
But lo and behold! I read the next paragraph and you had already decided that!

Best wishes to you, Yuri!
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