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« on: March 05, 2010, 02:52:35 AM »

Before this disastrous skiing holiday , I asked a new grassfed meat(lamb/beef etc.) as to what they fed their animals on. They rapidly stated that they fed them on grass most of the time but in the winter fed them on some grains. Watch out when you read that the meat is grassfed as it is often the case that it is not 100% grassfed. Now some people such as myself can find way round this such as getting most of their raw meats from wild game, but most should be leery as hell about this.

Another thing:- After a long delay, I intend to add to rawpaleodiet.com when I get back. My initial intention is to add a raw myths section with 1 or 2 paragraphs debunking each point such as the ridiculous mercury-in-fish theory, the laughable noble-savage theory etc. There are others such as the notion that the more raw food you (over) eat the faster you'll recover. Any suggestions re other myths to debunk are welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 03:13:37 AM »

The dangers of parasites and salmonella, the idea that grass-fed beef produces more methane so its worse for the environment, I already found an article about this from eatwild.com here it is.
http://www.eatwild.com/environment.html
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 04:22:55 AM »

Before this disastrous skiing holiday , I asked a new grassfed meat(lamb/beef etc.) as to what they fed their animals on. They rapidly stated that they fed them on grass most of the time but in the winter fed them on some grains. Watch out when you read that the meat is grassfed as it is often the case that it is not 100% grassfed. Now some people such as myself can find way round this such as getting most of their raw meats from wild game, but most should be leery as hell about this.
Even wild animals do eat some amount of grains, as they are quite ease stuffs to get; there is plethora of fields with crops.
IMO I don't think that it is sth to worry about.
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 05:52:52 PM »

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Any suggestions re other myths to debunk are welcome.
The myths that are the two most common objections to raw Paleo diets:

1. Stone Age life was "nasty, brutish and short," so we shouldn't emulate its diet or lifestyle.
2. (Mentioned by kurite) The bacteria and parasite risks from eating raw meat and fish are too great.

Some other myths:

> Most or all raw Paleo dieters are deceiving themselves with Stone age utopianism or are just engaged in Paleo re-enactment
> A food must be healthy if Stone Age humans ate it and all Stone Agers were "healthy" in the "optimal" sense that humans use today
> A food must be healthy for a wild animal if it eats it and the food is native to its habitat and all wild animals are "healthy" in the "optimal" sense that humans use today
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 07:35:51 PM »

I've been thinking about this 'nasty, brutish, short' and Williams theory that the bones were in such excellent condition that they appeared to be around 35 years of age. I'm in no doubt paleo poeples lives were often 'nasty etc but looking at old photos of Aged Australian aborigines with chalk white perfect teeth makes me wonder.

TD also very frequently brings up the point that even paleo people had malcolusion, this is true but it was only around 5% and relates to minor teeth misalignment compared to around 50% malcolusion in moderns some of which would be severe crowding.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 03:46:13 AM »

agree with refuting the 'caveman lived 25-35 years old' argument. They died of old age with bones looking like young people. Most lay people believe that caveman died at such a young age without evening knowing how scientists arrived at that 'conclusion'.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 11:47:29 AM »

I do remember it being reported somewhere here that scientists have already discovered that their dating methods were underestimating the age of bones and they had come up with a new method that showed them to be a bit older (but not centuries older, like William claimed Wink ). It may even been me who posted it, but I can't find it now.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 03:11:34 PM »

OK, I will insert data countering the notion that palaeos lived only till 35 and the massive strength advantage over Neolithic era societies but I will be realistic and mention the high infant mortality and related info as well. We don't want Williamesque immortality-style claims found here, we need more solid data.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2010, 08:35:06 PM »

Williams theory that the bones were in such excellent condition that they appeared to be around 35 years of age.

Not a theory. It is an archaeological observation, not disputed.

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scientists have already discovered that their dating methods were underestimating the age of bones and they had come up with a new method that showed them to be a bit older (but not centuries older, like William claimed

I made no such claim. However, if you insist on "claims" here's one: Nobody knows the lifespan of paleoman.
Nobody.
Their new dating method is still wishful thinking.
There's no proof that they didn't all die at 32, of nothing, or at 250,000 of boredom.


As for the noble savage hypothesis, it was civilized man who murdered 200,000,000 of his own kind in the last century. How's that for noble?
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2010, 09:45:04 PM »

Another myth is that if you eat the whites of an egg you will get a biotin defficieny. In all reality if you eat the whole egg, the avidin will bind with the biotin in the yolk of the egg not with the biotin in your body.
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