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« on: May 05, 2008, 01:26:38 PM » |
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For those on the raw paleo diet and don't do well on zero carb, how much carbohydrate do you need to keep yourselves feeling up to par?
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Raw Kyle
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2008, 01:32:37 PM » |
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You know I've never taken account of how I felt based on amounts of carbs eaten. When I was still eating SAD and the low carb diets started gaining popularity I didn't much pay attention, I figured it was just for losing weight. Then after starting vegetarian and continuing through many different diet paths I didn't stop to think about low carb because I thought I was "beyond that" and that it was for people who wanted to lose weight but still eat their chicken breasts or bacon or whatever.
I feel like I'm a pretty even keel as far as macro nutrient ratios go. For a while I was on a nearly fruitarian diet, and I don't remember having head aches or being overly emotional. I can say though that I had a "fuzzy" feeling after several days of eating mostly bananas. I know bananas are not the best or most natural fruit, and after a few days of sticking to my banana diet I would lose all desire to consume them and get that feeling, which I can really best describe as fuzzy. Maybe a yeast growth in my body from so much sugar, or a yeast die off from previous growth, or maybe a direct effect from the sugar.
So since I haven't been able to notice changes depending on carb levels, I really have no idea how much carbs I "need" to feel a certain way, or if I would do better without any. I'm not sure I'm ready to experiment with it either, I'm still balking a little at the idea of eating most of my meals as plain meat and organs. Just this week I didn't finish a bowel of plain chicken liver because I didn't like the taste, and it seemed harsh or spicy even. I've been feeding it to my cat so it doesn't go to waste. I do remember one time I had a bowel of livers and they tasted like nothing at all, I really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if it was because they were really fresh and healthy, or maybe it was a bad sign of low mineral levels.
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TheWayCreatesTheWarrior
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2008, 11:42:42 PM » |
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i feel best sticking between 50 and 100g of carbs a day on average. there are days were i get below 10 and feel fine for the time being. theres also some days that i get maybe 150grams. but generally i feel best between 50 and 100grams.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 05:31:27 AM » |
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How do you measure amount of carbs? I guess it's easy if you use fitday or something, but I don't see myself going to the trouble. I suppose if I had health problems I identified as going along with carb consumption I would do it.
I think what keeps me from getting that in depth is that I am afraid of my diet taking over (or keeping hold of, it already has taken over a large part of my life).
For example I already talked about in another post the vacation I'm going on soon, and I'll let some things slide there just for convenience. I'd like to travel to foreign countries and I will definitely not be able to keep my same diet going in that situation. So I'm trying to adopt the mindset of doing the best I can in any given situation and not trying to over-analyze or worry. Counting nutrients to the gram seems to me like over-analyzing.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 07:13:25 PM » |
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i usually eat the same thing everyday give or take, so all my carbs come from berries with breakfast and lunch. but once in a while ill have a cooked yam just for a good glucose replenishment after a few days of low carbs. it really mostly depends on my workouts. if im just doing say chest/tri and some form of moderate cardio i wont supplement with carbs after my workout, but if im doing HIIT or just a long cardio session than ill add in some supplemental dextrose(25g+/-)in my post workout protein shake, which would bring it up to a 'high-carb day'(100g+).
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xylothrill
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 07:50:15 PM » |
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Why ever would you need a protein shake eating raw meat? You know all those studies saying how bad animal protein is, were studies using fractionated protein as is found in protein shakes. If you feel the need for a protein shake, why not just make a raw liver shake or something of that nature instead?
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2008, 07:07:22 AM » |
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because a raw liver shake everyday doesnt sound too appealing to me. im about 90% Raw Paleo, hey, i even drink coffee, im not worried about it. maybe one day ill be 100% but for now i feel fine. im not aware of these studies of fractionated animal protein being bad(although it wouldnt suprise me), do you have any links?
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 09:05:00 AM » |
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TheWayCreatesTheWarrior, (what a name!) I'm not knocking not being 100% raw. I think it's great how raw you are. Here's are a couple of quotes with references. The claim that animal protein intake causes calcium loss from the bones is another popular nutritional myth that has no backing in nutritional science. The studies that supposedly showed protein to cause calcium loss in the urine were NOT done with real, whole foods, but with isolated amino acids and fractionated protein powders (3).
When studies were done with people eating meat with its fat, NO calcium loss was detected in the urine, even over a long period of time (3). Other studies have confirmed that meat eating does not affect calcium balance (4) and that protein promotes stronger bones (5). Furthermore, the saturated fats that many experts believe are so evil are actually required for proper calcium deposition in the bones (6). From: http://www.powerofmeat.com/High_Protein_Diets.htmProtein powders are the culprit proteins
What is significant in the various studies of protein intake and bone density is that the studies which purported to show protein intake caused calcium loss were not conducted with real foods but with isolated amino acids and fractionated protein powders of the sort used by low-carb dieters and athletes. The reason why these amino acids and fat-free protein powders caused calcium loss while the fat meat diet did not is because protein, calcium, and minerals require the fat-soluble vitamins A and D for their assimilation and utilisation by the body. When protein is consumed without these factors it upsets the normal biochemistry of the body and mineral loss results.[xviii] True vitamin A and full-complex vitamin D are only found in animal fats. Furthermore, saturated fats that are present with meat are essential for proper calcium deposition in the bones.[xix] It should be no surprise, therefore that vegan diets have been shown to place women at the greatest risk for osteoporosis.[xx] [xxi] From: http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/osteoporosis.htmlCraig |
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 01:24:14 PM » |
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right on Craig, thanks for the excerpts and links. i understand and agree with whats said in the excepts, it only makes sense to eat whole foods, but its just really hard to get out of the bodybuilding mindset that ive been in since 17 years old; "you need a quick source of protein immediately after you workout". i did have a 1.5 yr stint of 100% raw paleo, but i just found that raw meat, being very neutral tasting, got pretty boring day-in and day-out and eventually decided to spice it up alittle with some cooked foods. i definitely felt best on 100%, not easy to explain to people who havent done 100%rawpaleo but you just feel really strong and clean and natural, im sure you know what i mean. anyway, coincedently i have had the urge to go 100% again for the last couple weeks and stumbled upon the link to this forum via the Sunfood forum, something may be syncronizing here  . thanks again, and thanks for the forum. |
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Satya
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 11:23:26 PM » |
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Why ever would you need a protein shake eating raw meat? You know all those studies saying how bad animal protein is, were studies using fractionated protein as is found in protein shakes. If you feel the need for a protein shake, why not just make a raw liver shake or something of that nature instead?
What about the amino acid L-glutamine? That would make a good choice for after workouts, wouldn't it? |
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