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Author Topic: How many carbs do you need?  (Read 2312 times)
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 08:40:59 AM »

What about the amino acid L-glutamine?  That would make a good choice for after workouts, wouldn't it?

i have supplemented with Glutamine Post WO, and before bed. ive heard some people arent convinced that it helps any in bodybuilding. but supposedly it raises GH and is an immune-booster.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 02:17:48 PM »

L-Glutamine shouldn't be a problem at all so long as you're getting sufficient animal products in your diet, which shouldn't be a problem on any RAF diet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine

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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2008, 09:33:42 PM »

hi all, I'm interested in this topic as well.

I am an active person (3-4 gym workout days) and 1-2 bike rides per week.
It means about 3-4 hour at the gym and 6 hours on the bike weekly.

Of course since I went almost 100% raw I fell less the need to supplement my diet, but I ma convinced something is still needed.
Here's my supplementation:

pre WO: nothing
durng WO: gym=only water
               bike= cho (maltodextrins) or fruits (banana) if the ride is very long a bottle of water with alcalysing powder (cytrates)
after WO: fruit juice with amminoacidc (bcaa+glutammine)

with this supplementation plan an a paleo diet that is almost fully raw I can train and racover quite quickly.

What are your opinions ?
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 10:29:54 PM »

hi all, I'm interested in this topic as well.

I am an active person (3-4 gym workout days) and 1-2 bike rides per week.
It means about 3-4 hour at the gym and 6 hours on the bike weekly.

Of course since I went almost 100% raw I fell less the need to supplement my diet, but I ma convinced something is still needed.
Here's my supplementation:

pre WO: nothing
durng WO: gym=only water
               bike= cho (maltodextrins) or fruits (banana) if the ride is very long a bottle of water with alcalysing powder (cytrates)
after WO: fruit juice with amminoacidc (bcaa+glutammine)

with this supplementation plan an a paleo diet that is almost fully raw I can train and racover quite quickly.

What are your opinions ?

Sounds good. If your finding it's working for you then great. Most of what you supplement is for replenishing glycogen to the liver and muscles isn't it?

Raw meat is packed full of glutamine compared to cooked meat. Glutamine is destroyed by heat. You could consider increasing your raw meat consumption after a hard workout.

Have you tried adding raw liver? it is full of 'B' vitamins and has an anti fatigue factor.
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2008, 12:25:32 AM »

Sounds good. If your finding it's working for you then great. Most of what you supplement is for replenishing glycogen to the liver and muscles isn't it?

Raw meat is packed full of glutamine compared to cooked meat. Glutamine is destroyed by heat. You could consider increasing your raw meat consumption after a hard workout.

Have you tried adding raw liver? it is full of 'B' vitamins and has an anti fatigue factor.

Yes, most of my supplenentation is for glycogen re-store. Of course, after a hard WO you have to repair muscle damage as well (here lies the need for ammino acids) moreover a read in different sources that glutammine is important to avoid immune system stress.
I usually eat some raw liver (or raw heart, that should also be rich in carnitine), but non in very big quantities, in order to favour glycogen replenishment.
I got inspiered in this plan by Cordain/Friel "The paleo diet for athetes" book.

I think it's a milestone in athletes nutrition.
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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2008, 12:51:42 AM »

I personally believe one can perform athletically well without any carbs and even perhaps better but with breaks between athletic feats like 2-3 days.

Aerobic or anaerobic, the muscles can very effectively use fat as fuel. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2008, 04:47:04 PM »

This may be true, and probably is, if you practice a mid-low intensity activity and, as you state, Kristelle, with 2-3 days rest between WOs.
But when you go at, or above, your aerobic thresold for a significant amount of time and with little or no rest, it is impossible.
According o my experience.
What a cyclist, or another endurance athlete, can do is improve the use of fat as fuel, but it's impossible to rely only on them.
Fat metabolism is too slow to allow for a quick and full recover.
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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2008, 11:30:47 PM »

Even when above aerobic threshold (i.e. anaerobic), you can do very well on fat and protein alone. At first, you will feel sluggish but give it a few weeks and you'll see...plus, you won't get that burn in your muscles due to lactic acid.
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2008, 11:40:37 PM »

Sorry, Kristelle, but this is simply impossible.
When you go above you anaerobic thresold, you can only use glycogen (and it is a very small stock), when you enpty your glycogen stores you are fininished, you can only stop and recover (replenish glycogen stores via carbos o neoglucogenesis).
That's our physiology.
You simply can't rely on fats only if you don't wait those long recovery periods.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 12:19:25 AM »

I've been waiting for someone to come on this forum who exercises alot like myself. I practice martial arts, weight lift, run etc.

Luigi,do you eat after your workouts? What do you eat? Do you think one big meal a day would be the best thing for a person working out multiple times a day? I would like to hear your opinion, please.
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