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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »

Man I am confused, maybe it is all about ratio.
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2010, 10:10:13 AM »

Haha, the confused state is the best state - it means the mind is still open to the possibility of infinite reality...The human organism in the environment of Earth, the solar system, the milky way etc.

Anti-nutrients are a bugger and like you rightly say, it makes over-consumption less possible (so the animal moves on). I look to cooked starches as a raft across the river, but when I'm across the river, I'll discard the raft and river - in my wisdom. Maybe the domesticated breeds are less defensive in their anti-nutrient profile. Domestication sucks, but let's face it, we're a domesticated breed ourselves - I still think that life is miraculous, even if it is a little tainted by modernism.

The primitives gradually knew what they could procure and prepare from their landbase to sustain optimal health all the way through life (including pre-natal/post-natal) and they weren't restricted by dogma - it became self-evident what was nourishing/anti-nourishing. If I just eat RAF, my hair falls out and I can't eat enough to maintain a healthy weight without unbalancing organ function etc.

Isn't it stupid to sustain something that is unsustainable, hence the saying "the fool that persists in his folly will become wise"? I can say that I will be learning still on my deathbed, in whatever form that manifests...

Large amounts of fruit is NOT tooth-healing, full stop (I don't care what anyone says!), and because my kidneys can't take RZC, I have to find other strategies to make this sustainable. Quite frankly, rinsing my teeth with various substrates (bone meal, green clay, sodium bicarb etc.) after fruit definitely does not stop the rot.

I appreciate that submission on kidney stress pc701, which I found useful and I have been thinking about making some raw pemmican with ground juniper berries and maybe drinking some kidney-herb/root tea to see if that makes a difference. The article is totally undermined by the assertion that soy beans are anything fit for humans - stupid considering that it talks about phytate-related nutritional deficiencies in the same article.

Nature will temper us in its way, so I bow in silence waiting to be instructed...

I would like to be eating "guts and grease" as this WAPF article documents: http://www.westonaprice.org/Guts-and-Grease-The-Diet-of-Native-Americans.html (what a warrior face on that Navajo - awesome!)
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2010, 10:24:13 AM »

Another thing that we're all abundantly aware of around here is heat-mediated oxidation products (either minimal or maximal), particularly the so-called maillard products depending on carb/amino content.

I've been adding rooibos tea and other anti-oxidant spices to the cooking water of the starchy stuff as a potential means to minimise oxidation products - I wonder how much difference this would make, but I know that traditional India people add curry/betel leaves while clarifying butter into ghee, which I reckon must minimise oxidation of all components including chole-sterol (the native North Americindians weren't scared of oxysterols nor much else!).

On the matter of proteins, I think it was Ray Peat that said that the aminos in collagen/gelatin(the cooked form) are anti-inflammatory compared to the dominant aminos in muscle meats - hence the recommendation to eat of the whole creature (also out of reverence for life like the native North Americans). Maybe it's beneficial to include either bone meal (minerals in a powdered collagen matrix) or bone broth (probably less optimal, but still with the minerals and anti-inflammatory proteins as a hydrophylic colloid).

Sometimes, when things don't work quite as other people assert/experience, it shows the true value of dogma i.e. worthless. Maybe that's why "rendered" fat works for William, yet "cooked" fats don't serve Tyler...I myself like to keep my fats raw, but it's what works in nature, whether that be a camp in the depths of a jungle or an urban settlement in the 21st century.
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2010, 12:35:21 PM »

If I just eat RAF, my hair falls out and I can't eat enough to maintain a healthy weight without unbalancing organ function etc.

Isn't it stupid to sustain something that is unsustainable, hence the saying "the fool that persists in his folly will become wise"? I can say that I will be learning still on my deathbed, in whatever form that manifests...

Large amounts of fruit is NOT tooth-healing, full stop (I don't care what anyone says!), and because my kidneys can't take RZC, I have to find other strategies to make this sustainable.

I find that I can never make statements as strong as these, in that one thing definitely causes another, especially if I have not eaten a certain way for a very long time. I guess I'm always in amazement how sensitive most people here are to the different inputs.

Some people have miraculous results on pemmican so I definitely think you should give it a shot if raw isn't working. I have noticed a bit of pattern forming that those that can handle pemmican don't do as well on raw (william, delfuego, danny, charles) and those that do well on raw don't handle pemmican as well (tyler, djr, and lots others here).
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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2010, 03:44:13 PM »

I've been self-experimenting these last couple of weeks and I'd agree with carnivore/Hannibal that ratio seems to be everything.

I can say this because instead of relying on fruits for my carbohydrates, I've been eating cooked (boiled/steamed) starches in quite large quantities, PLUS along with more carbs, I've been increasing my meat+fat content to a much greater extent than before, which has been less problematic for me than meat+fat+fruit.

I've also been adding lightly cooked vegetables for variety, to make more "square" meals. Typically, I warm my meat and fat in a bain marie/porringer, which I find much more preferable to just room-temp or cold meat.



square. so you are eating your raw (warmed) meat/fat WITH cooked starches and veggies?? what do you mean by starches yams or traditional potato? or grains? OR how long do you wait before eating raw meat again? doesn't starch take many hours to digest?
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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2010, 04:20:07 PM »

Yeah man, square as square can be.

Starch (amylose) begins its digestion in the mouth (courtesy of salivary amylase for breaking dietary starches/glycogens), hence it's rapido! Judging by my earlier glucose blast testing, the (simpler sugars from the) polysaccharides were in my bloodstream almost within minutes - very quick...

I haven't found yams yet, but I want to find some - otherwise, potatoes, butternut squash, carrots, turnip/swede and others. I tolerated grains for most of my young life, so I'm not particularly fearful of gliadin/gluten, although if I did consume grains, I'd be sprouting and fermenting them a la sourdough process or complementary soaking with high-phytase grains/seeds (e.g. soaking pasteurised pure oats with buckwheat or some similar combination).

There's a lot of myth about food combining and you're not telling me that nature doesn't complex polysaccharides with various amino acids...Hmmm...

Wait? As the Zen master said, eat when hungry, sleep when tired...This is the essence of Zen, hehe...

@Paleo Donk: Good suggestion (and thanks for your useful post before). I'm with tyler on keeping my fats raw, which are not at all problematic for me. I will always consume raw where it makes sense to me, and of course, biochemistry is often finding elegant and biologically active substances that are inactivated by heat. One example is "stigmasterol" (Wulzen anti-stiffness factor) in raw butter, which is inactivated by heat - that's useful for preventing degenerative conditions.

I'm loathe to cook anything I eat, especially starches, but like I've said, this is a means to an end. One to contribute to my tooth healing (no organic acids from too much fruit) and two to correct my low basal metabolic rate (which is improving greatly already - I've just found a source for fresh thyroid as well).
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