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« on: February 07, 2010, 01:34:45 PM »

Hi everyone.

This is my first post and Ive read alot of posts inside the different forums and find this site Very Interesting. I have tried raw meat before out of curiosity mostly and never noticed any side effects. That got me interested and I ended up stumbling upon this site Tongue. The one thing Im having trouble with is all the conflicting advice and how naturally everyones diet is going to be somewhat different. What Im getting from it is that dairy and grains are a for the most part a no no( I did read somewhere that aujonus does drink raw milk). Also that grassfed and as organic as possible is the best choice( the most untouched or natural). The trouble comes when Im thinking of starting and I read things like you cant eat just meat or you need to have 50%veg-50%meat or some posts say nuts and seeds. To me it seems to make sense that you would somewhat need at least a little bit of fruit or vegetables for extra nutrients,would I be able to get those from a wide variety of meats ie game,lamb and types organs and such or am I conditioned by society to think that you need fruit to be healthy and thats not really the best option? Again Im just starting havent even bought meat to eat yet or anything. Advice would be greatly appreciated thanks! Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 01:42:58 PM »

Yes dairy, grains and cooked foods are to be avoided. Raw wild game or raw wildcaught seafood is the best choice but many people are only able to get grassfed/organic meats which is pretty good. In some circumstances if you can find 10)% grassfed meat that is not officially organic that's OK, just make sure the source is of high quality.

As for raw zero-carb or raw omnivore, Newbies are best advised to start with raw omnivore. This is because even people who do well on raw zero-carb have to go through a lengthy transitionary period full of side-effects before they get used to the new regime. With raw omnivore, you just go through a short period of detox(I for example had to visit the bathroom every 30 minutes in the first 2-3 days of switching to rawpalaeo as the toxins from cooked foods left my system). Obviously, if you find out you have some hypersensitivity to carbs, it would then be worth trying raw zero-carb, of course.

Ultimately, you will find, though, that every individual's diet is astonishingly varied and different from each other. I for example go in heavily for raw wild game, while Lex orders 100% grassfed meat-mixes from Slanker's , GoodSamaritan goes in for exotic fruits like durian and goatmeat etc. etc.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 09:46:36 PM »

awesome thanks! Im determined to go cold turkey when I do this so I wanted to make sure I had some facts straight first. I find it interesting how ther is a detox process, maybe this is why people who have had raw food never do it again cause their body detoxes and they unknowingly think it will go on forever. What kind of side effects should I see? Also what kind of carbs fruits, veggies or both and what kinds typical celery and carrots or exotic ones?
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 03:57:16 AM »

awesome thanks! Im determined to go cold turkey when I do this so I wanted to make sure I had some facts straight first. I find it interesting how ther is a detox process, maybe this is why people who have had raw food never do it again cause their body detoxes and they unknowingly think it will go on forever. What kind of side effects should I see? Also what kind of carbs fruits, veggies or both and what kinds typical celery and carrots or exotic ones?
  Yes, people suddenly switching to raw might be turned off it because of such initial detoxes - mind you, people who turn to RVAF diets usually do so as a last resort after all other diets have failed them, so they're usually quite patient.

As for side-effects, they will vary greatly from individual to individual. Other than those 2-3 rather awkward 2-3 days of green diarrhea, I had a minor detox occurring once every 2 to 4 months, lasting from 2 to 7 days each, for the first couple of years or so. These detox episodes decreases in terms of severity, duration and frequency until they finally stopped after  c. 2 years. But others may have more serious detoxes or even no detox at all (I've heard that long-term fasting can remove the threat of detox, but I definitely don't recommend it as it can be very, very dangerous indeed).

Sometimes people find they get an allergy to a specific raw food, such as raw dairy or raw veggie-juice, so not all painful symptoms are genuine detoxes. I define a genuine detox as being of usually a minor to moderate nature, with one feeling slightly better after the detox-period than before it; if one just feels steadily worse afterwards than before the detox, then it's no detox but something else.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 07:48:50 PM »

 

Sometimes people find they get an allergy to a specific raw food, such as raw dairy or raw veggie-juice, so not all painful symptoms are genuine detoxes. I define a genuine detox as being of usually a minor to moderate nature, with one feeling slightly better after the detox-period than before it; if one just feels steadily worse afterwards than before the detox, then it's no detox but something else.

This is very, very important for all newbies. Remember it well. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 11:13:37 PM »

What health benefits have you heard of and what are some youve experienced
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 04:10:17 AM »

What health benefits have you heard of and what are some youve experienced
Read the testimonials on rawpaleodiet.com and read through the message-archives of both rawpaleodiet yahoo group and rawpaleoforum
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 12:50:36 AM »

If you aint sick then i wouldnt advice you to go on this diet. curiosity killed the cat...
Unless your sick or if your a professional athlete and want a possible advantage, then dont do it.
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 01:26:16 AM »

Again Im just starting havent even bought meat to eat yet or anything. Advice would be greatly appreciated thanks! Smiley

    Where are you coming from?  Are you or have you been a vegetarian for a while?
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 05:00:45 AM »

If you aint sick then i wouldnt advice you to go on this diet. curiosity killed the cat...
Unless your sick or if your a professional athlete and want a possible advantage, then dont do it.
  That's just foolish advice given that rawists have a number of other reasons, not directly related to health, for following a rawpalaeo diet - some may have a rawpalaeodiet-eating spouse or may be primarily interested in weight-loss(raw diets are known to be very effective against obesity and I keep on being asked about raw diets re weight-loss from newbies). Then there are those who are still relatively healthy but who are concerned re aging in the future(again, raw diets do not speed up aging as much as cooked-diets do with their heat-created toxins such as AGEs). I'm quite impressed by what GS and co have done with their children re starting them on rawpalaeo while young as they can then avoid all sorts of potential issues that the vast majority of us get on SAD diets prior to eventually learning about the rawpalaeodiet.
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