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« on: November 03, 2008, 11:09:17 AM »

What's the verdict on pemmican ... if there is one?

Considering that the fat has to be rendered (cooked) and the meat jerked (which I guess isn't really cooking), is it something that RPD'ers can eat on a regular basis? Or is it something that should only be eaten during traveling? Or maybe is it something that should be avoided?

I like the idea of a hard, nutritious ration that keeps awhile. I've been thinking about ordering some of the pemmican with fruit in it from US Wellness meats. Tyler had recommended in my journal that I should get some raw carbs in my diet, which I agree with, but for some reason shopping at the local supermarket for berries seems to fail a lot for me. I either don't eat them quickly enough (before they mold) or I get caught up on the whole pesticides issue.

I don't plan on making it my only source of food, but it would come in mighty handy for breakfast and snacks at work. At home I can just have a decent sized fresh raw meal.

Here is a link to the page I was looking at for pemmican:

http://www.grasslandbeef.com/Categories.bok?category=Beef+Jerky%2C+Franks%2C+Sausage%2C+Bacon++%26+Pemmican%3ABeef+Pemmican+%26+Snack+Sticks

Specifically, I was looking at the Regular Beef Pemmican Pail. What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2008, 11:37:29 AM »

You can also make your own: http://www.evfit.com/pemmican.htm

This is the recipe that a few coworkers and I are looking at. In fact, that's how this the long trail of links that lead me got started. Sure, it is cooked (drying the meat and rendering the suet) but I think it is a definite 'lesser of two evils' thing here. Travelling with raw meat is damn near impossible but pemmican is wonderfully suited to travelling and beats fast food or roadside grill hands-down.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2008, 05:18:00 PM »

Most people go in for dried beef-jerky which isn't heated above 104 degrees fahrenheit, re travelling. Pemmican, as it's properly heated, should be avoided unless there's no heathy raw fat available.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 12:04:55 AM »

You can also make your own: http://www.evfit.com/pemmican.htm

Wrong for us, as the meat is heated and so is dead food.
I dry it at no more than 37°C/99°F so the enzymes needed for proper digestion/nutrition are still there.
Also I recently learned that suet (I'm assuming that that means kidney/organ fat)is the wrong fat, being high in stearic acid, which is what candle wax and crayons are made of. Not food.
Use hide fat instead.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 02:28:18 AM »

Well, if you believe Loren Cordain et al, stearic acid is supposed to be the only "good" saturated fat.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2008, 05:24:16 AM »

what exactly is the difference between hide fat and suet?

Is the fat between muscles hide fat? Is suet only the fat from between kidney and other organs?

And which type of fat is the one that is so darn difficult to chew through and which you have to cut up in smaller pieces to be able to swallow (and is also often located on muscle meats)?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 05:50:27 AM »

suet (I'm assuming that that means kidney/organ fat)is the wrong fat, being high in stearic acid, which is what candle wax and crayons are made of. Not food.

Wikipedia lists suet's melting point at above body temperature [between 45° and 50°C. (113° and 122°F.)]

When I eat it, it just sits in my stomach. Doesn't feel too good. Chewing it doesn't seem to help. It really is like chewing a crayon.

I wonder if it really digests at all.

Also wonder why it's been typically considered "bird food" - is it left behind by other predators?

The pemmican I ordered will probably be no better. I'll post once I try it. Pemmican was supposed to be "hard luck" food to get you through winter. Not savory.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 06:40:58 AM »

Suet is much less unsaturated than hide-fat. I've been told by others that hide-fat is almost impossible to get as in most western countries they have stupid laws forbidding people from slaughtering cattle any later than 30 months - grassfed cattle require a long time to get enough fats, unlike unhealthy grainfed cattle. Oh, hide-fat is, I believe, the fat under the skin, near the rump.
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