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« on: April 20, 2009, 04:02:02 PM »

I'm confused as to how much raw organ meat to eat to mimic our paleo ancestors as closely as possible. The way i see it, most of an animal would be fat and muscle and some organ measts (i mean each animal has only brain, one heart, few sweetbreads if any, etc..) so eating mostly organ meats isn't very realistic right? But how much organ meats do i need to be healthy? At the moment i eat about 500g liver a week, about 6 or 7 lamb kidneys, 3 or 4 lamb hearts, about 100g marrow fat (thats all i can get - the rest is suet) and a few sweetbreads every couple of weeks when i get them. The rest is suet and fatty muscle meat (mainly rump steak - i ask the farmer i get my meat from to give me as much fat as possible).
Is this ok? should i be eating more organ meats? I feel like i'm eating too much muscle meats...
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 05:44:02 PM »

That sounds great to me. I rarely eat organs because I don't like them much. If you wanted to truly simulate natural eating you could probably just google anatomy of ox or bison or whatever animal you're eating and find out lb for lb how much lean muscle, fat, and organ weight they had in a percentage. Like lean muscle makes up ___% of the animal, the liver is usually ___lbs in a ___lb animal.

But maybe in paleo times they threw away a lot of muscle and ate more organs? Or maybe they ate more muscle and threw away some organs? That's the wild card that makes it pretty much impossible to "simulate" paleo eating. Also, different cultures probably ate different parts of the animal with more frequency. I remember reading one of the African tribes in Weston Price's book made a big deal about liver, I would guess they would eat the liver first and possibly give away other parts like muscle to dogs or let it rot if they were full with liver. Also one of the North American Indian tribes supposedly ate the organs first and gave muscle to dogs.

There are some tribes that ate the whole animal without choosing much over parts, but usually it seems those are the ones who have the least food available like the Inuit, and therefore don't want to waste anything. Still I bet they give certain parts with more frequency to pregnant women, children, working men, etc...

I think the amount of organs you're eating is great.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 07:29:46 PM »

I don't know how much is too much, but I have been eating 0.5-1 lb of liver every other day now for a week.  I don't seem to have developed any problems, although I'm still a little concerned that maybe the Vit A could be too much.  I had 1lb of beef heart yesterday.  I'll probably get into the kidneys soon enough. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 03:33:34 PM »

The amounts you're eating are fine, and the variety is good as well.

I should mention that not only wild animals but also hunter-gatherers prize the organ-meats above all other meats. In some cases, in times of plenty, they'll just eat the organ-meats and leave the rest. A good example are those killer whales hunting the baby (grey?) whales in the eatern pacific - usually, all the killer whales eat is the fatty tongue of the calf, ignoring the rest. A human example, would be the royal courts of Mediaeval Europe where the kings and nobles getting first priority/right of choice  re the organ-meats.

My opinion is that organ-meats are essential for important things like fertility(tribeswomen, according to weston-price) would routinely seek out the organ-meats to ensure maximal health for their offspring(indeed, I strongly suspect that the falling western sperm-count is directly attributable to the lack of organ-meats in the modern diet). However, it is possible to maintain adequate, if not optimal, health on a diet of zero-organ-meats. Obviously, though, if one is seriously ill at the start, it would be more beneficial to have some organ-meats so as to speed up recovery.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 03:11:36 PM »

    Just trying to draw attention.  What I really mean is I just got a bunch of bison stuff and want to know the best ways to use them.  I got a pancreas, a liver, a heart, a spleen, a thymus, a testicle, marrow, suet, a tongue and two adrenals.  It's amazing how small most of it is.  I was told these buffalo are small.  Thanks.

    I have biodynamic butter, kefir, milk, honey and eggs too.  Maybe they can be used in recipe with above?
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 06:24:10 PM »

I eat goat testicles plain.

Beef pancreas I don't want to eat.  Last time I had too much of it I woke up wobbly and my eyes seeing double vision I couldn't drive.  Too powerful.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 12:52:37 AM »

  raw adrenals are powerful, so eat small amounts and then increase.  There should be no rule as to how much, each of us will desire or need different amounts at different times.  Let your taste/desire guide you.  There is a stop.  In the beginning you may have to encourage yourself to try various organs.  Then when acclimated your body will steer you towards or away from each.  I do find bison organs far superior in taste.  Try North Star bison, they ship most reasonably. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 05:12:08 AM »

    Thank you, guys.  I ate testicle, pancreas and marrow last night.  I felt like I could eat a lot of pancreas. 

    I don't like anything beef so far.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 05:27:49 PM »

 Your having the same problem I had, don't be fanatical. Measuring food and trying to mimic the old ways are where you are messing up. The old paleo hunters would kill an animal and have a FEAST eating whichever part they craved. And since the food was the healthiest and most nutritionist they just ate and ate.

Just eat mostly organ or whatever you are craving. Just don't turn it into a job. Its a creative art, eating is a reward. What you do when you have worked hard and EARNED nourishment.

Don't be perfecto either. Yes I know harsh, but think about all the super healthy people who have high testosterone and success drive. Floyd mayweather,Tyson, Michael phelps(eats pounds of food a day)

This comes from passion. Eat all raw and whatever organs you like, don't force-feed. Like in Amadeus "Lets have some fun" lol.

Seriously when you body is strong enough you will be able to eat shards of glass (NO DON'T TRY IT NOW) and be healthy.
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