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Author Topic: Just recieved raw butter...could it be spoiled?  (Read 1681 times)
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« on: March 23, 2009, 03:11:27 PM »

I joined a buying club and just picked up my first order. Everything seems as I would expect it...except the butter. It smells sourish/cheesey. I am wondering if this is how it is normally. I bought a few tubs..they are all the same. I can live without it if this is normal and just stick with olive oil.

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 11:20:31 AM »

Is it cultured butter?
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 05:36:33 PM »

The butter sounds rancid to me.  I wouldn't touch it!  Fresh raw butter, in my experience, has no smell at all.  Cultured butter smells (and tastes!) absolutely delicious so I wouldn't think that it's simply cultured butter.  I wouldn't suggest eschewing butter altogether because of this bad experience. 

Cultured butter can be stored much longer than modern 'sweet' butter without going rancid so is highly recommended although difficult to obtain.  I used to regularly buy a raw, cultured french butter which was divine but I'm afraid I can't recall the name of it now as I no longer consume any dairy.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 07:31:05 PM »

I called the person I got it from. She is a Dr. and the person that introduced me to all this, She laughed and said that she should have warned me, The butter can smell a little "gamey". She said it depends on what the grass is like that the cows have been eating. Well, after I set a small tub on the counter over night I noticed it smells a little like cream cheese this morning, but not offensive. I tasted it, and it tasted better than yesterday.
My daughter came to pick hers up and had no problem with it at all.
I don't know if it's cultured. Perhaps that has something to do with the lack blandness I was expecting.
Maybe the Dr. doesn't know. She told me it will last a few weeks.
I'm still cautious but willing to experiment with it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 05:32:01 PM »

when raw butter is spoiled its delicious actually if you know its raw and you like the taste. Then guage whether or not your going to eat it off of that. My aged butter tastes like blue-cheese and I HATE blue-cheese. So I don't eat any aged butter. My body isn't craving it...all that aside...

If you can't tell if its spoiled then its probably not.(Only applys to raw butter).

Butter can sit out for days without bacteria growth its nearly pure fat so it keeps a long time.

Ghi(pure butterfat) stores for over a year in a dark cupboard without any bacterial growth.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 12:29:07 PM »

I've found that most of the raw butter I've bought has been poorly made. In order for butter to remain chemically stable either in the refrigerator or (for awhile) at room temperature, ALL the buttermilk has to be removed. Even newly made ultra-fresh butter will smell "gamey" and taste "spoiled" if there is still buttermilk in it. The buttermilk is an agent of the decomposition of the butterfat. I've had poorly made tubs of butter spoil in only days.

Making butter is a matter of churning at the proper temperature for the proper length of time for the requirements of that particular batch of cream. Just because the butter masses up doesn't mean it's done. Unfortunately, natural butter is so rare that many people don't know what it's supposed to taste like. It should have a mild, sweet taste.

I've only found 1 farmer in my area who makes good butter. He also makes cultured butter, which is churned from sour cream. It has a "riper" flavor and is more flaky in texture. Cultured and spoiled are two different things. I personally would not eat spoiled milkfat 

We prefer ghee over butter, but ghee is not raw.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 03:01:37 PM »

I gave up on butter when it gave me lumps on knee.  I wear an artificial leg.  I was using grass fed frozen raw butter from a farmer I researched and found in Wisconsin.  It was made at the height of his green grass growing season.  Since having experimented with frozen back fat, and subsequently noticing a sizable drop in energy over eating fresh back fat, I am inclined to think it may have been the frozen element in the butter that allowed something to coagulate into a lump, repeatedly, testing out the frozen butter.  I also since the 70's have developed similar lumps when trying to take oral mineral supplements.   Have you ever seen where they show video from a microscope of single blood cells getting bottlenecked running through a capillary.  MY theory is since I wasn't breast fed,  according to lit., I have more of a porous intestinal lining, allowing for larger particles to enter my system.    I would love to have your source for fresh butter, if grass fed.   I love the taste of it, especially eating it with meat. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 10:12:14 AM »

I gave up on butter when it gave me lumps on knee.  I wear an artificial leg.  I was using grass fed frozen raw butter from a farmer I researched and found in Wisconsin.  It was made at the height of his green grass growing season.  Since having experimented with frozen back fat, and subsequently noticing a sizable drop in energy over eating fresh back fat, I am inclined to think it may have been the frozen element in the butter that allowed something to coagulate into a lump, repeatedly, testing out the frozen butter.  I also since the 70's have developed similar lumps when trying to take oral mineral supplements.   Have you ever seen where they show video from a microscope of single blood cells getting bottlenecked running through a capillary.  MY theory is since I wasn't breast fed,  according to lit., I have more of a porous intestinal lining, allowing for larger particles to enter my system.    I would love to have your source for fresh butter, if grass fed.   I love the taste of it, especially eating it with meat. 
van, at this point i mainly depend on raw butter (not grass fed) and i know that animal fat will be more superior than that. i am trying to save some money to get organs and other things from the web you recommended. also, rawzi, is a great help for me. thanks to all my friends.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 02:59:55 PM »

I've found that most of the raw butter I've bought has been poorly made.
We prefer ghee over butter, but ghee is not raw.

Thanks for the info re: buttermilk livingthelife.  This fits in well with my past butter experiences.

Ghee, I guess it could be said, is the dairy equivalent of tallow (rendered suet) in that it's heated and filtered to remove the proteins.  According to William on another thread, all of the proven toxins from cooking (AGEs, Het.amines et al) are protein based and, therefore, would no longer exist in the resultant ghee.  I'm not stating that I agree this to be true but it's an interesting point.   (Please correct me if I'm misquoting you William?!)

I'm interested in the possibility of making 'raw' ghee - also known as butter oil - even though I don't use dairy myself anymore.  I see no reason why the butter could not be melted at low temperature and then separated from the solids with a cheap centrifugal separator leaving a raw butter oil substrate.  Has anyone experiment with this?
My ideal would be to have my own grass-fed pet goats from which I could make large quantities of raw goat butter oil!   Cool 

Van, you have goats.  Have you ever tried this before you abandoned butter?
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 05:08:12 PM »

    I have goat butter.  It's very white colored; because goats make Vitamin A better.  Have you ever separated goat milk from its cream?  You need some special implement, unlike cow.  Has anyone made goat ghee?  I don't know if it's possible.  I too do not plan on making ghee again.  I made that years ago from cow.  Would goat ghee still be golden colored like cow?
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