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« on: May 21, 2008, 12:04:33 PM »

Where is the best place to get raw dairy. I'm only able to find raw cheese but not milk, cream or butter.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2008, 12:30:37 PM »

This is a good website for finding info on local raw-dairy sources:-

http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 12:37:31 PM »

Thanks Tyler. What a good resource for raw dairy!
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2008, 01:42:04 PM »

Where is the best place to get raw dairy. I'm only able to find raw cheese but not milk, cream or butter.

It can depend on where you live.  The laws for raw milk vary state to state in the US, so you may need to research that.  That realmilk website should help you in that regard.  I know California has had some changes in the law, and you can see the latest on that on AV's blog as well, if you are in that state.  In fact, He has a message regarding Pennsylvania as well, so that may be a good resource for you concerning legal availability of raw milk.

http://wewant2live.blogspot.com/
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 01:03:39 AM »

My understanding is that California and Pennsylvania were the only two states in the union that allowed the retail of unpasteurized dairy (other than highly salted raw cheeses). The laws are always changing, and to further complicate things sometimes "they" break the laws and confiscate farmers milk anyway. This happened in Pennsylvania just this week I believe, I'm thankful it wasn't the farmer that supplies my co op.

I've heard if you find a farmer in the area (hopefully organic) that you can develop a relationship with, you might be able to "work something out." Seek and perhaps ye shall find, whether legal or "extra-legal."
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2008, 01:14:19 PM »

I've heard if you find a farmer in the area (hopefully organic) that you can develop a relationship with, you might be able to "work something out." Seek and perhaps ye shall find, whether legal or "extra-legal."

Good suggestion about the local farmers.  If space and time permits, you can raise your own dairy animal yourself.

What I want to know is: if I raise my own cow or goat, can I legally drink the milk?  If so, then what is so different about me buying the same product from my neighbor?  I doubt the government has become that intrusive, but ya never know.  I live in a semirural town where horse and cattle farms are scattered all over.  A couple years back, the city outlawed poultry within the city limits due to overblown fears of bird flu.  I am in the city and I raise a whooping 5 laying hens.  I think they eventually threw that law out, as many people raise various animals, and really, can they outlaw the wild ducks and turkeys? 

I think the whole legal issue of raw milk revolves around the fear of raw foods carrying pathogens, and especially raw animal foods.  We must unlearn what we have learned, to borrow from Master Yoda. 
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »

I think the way the laws work is that it's illegal to retail it in a grocery store. They have certain licenses, and retail stores cannot get a license to sell that. I just noticed that the health food store I frequent in Philadelphia started carrying raw milk when previously they only had organic or grass fed "gently pasteurized" (whatever that means) milk. So maybe they were able to get the license because the laws were relaxed.

As far as a private agreement between two people I find it hard to believe you could outlaw that. I think it's mainly a licensing issue for retailers. Better to cut out the retailers and do business directly with the farmers anyway!
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 03:06:53 PM »

AFAIK, many (though not all) US States forbid even cow-sharing agreements between customers and farmers, so just owning a cow and consuming its milk can be made illegal.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 02:13:40 AM »

AFAIK, many (though not all) US States forbid even cow-sharing agreements between customers and farmers, so just owning a cow and consuming its milk can be made illegal.

Unbelievable...or rather I should say I wish it was unbelievable, loss of personal choice and freedoms is accelerating at a scary rate.
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 01:06:54 PM »

In Florida, you can by raw milk for pets only and it is marked "not for human consumption."

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