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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 12:29:29 AM »

Anybody ordered from here?

They look pretty legit.

I bought a gallon of their cold hand packed Brazilian pepper tree honey.  It was good and it lasted me over six months.
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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2010, 07:01:54 AM »

Shot out to Tyler. He said that the raw honeycomb that is not clear, but colored and has bits of pollen and stuff in it, is the best and he was right. Best tasting honey I've ever had. Damned expensive, but worth it for an occasional treat. Still seems to act like sugar on me, but seemed slightly less so than regular raw honey and much less so than heated honey. Hard to tell based on the small amounts I ate at one time and small overall quantity, though. I fouled up my blood sugar test, so I'll have to get more test sticks and try that again some day.

So did you get the raw cold-packed honey from the link above? Also, the honey seems relatively cheap if you look at it as a per calorie cost. 6lbs for $26 plus shipping. So around 5-6 dollars a pound. One pound will give you (at 3 calories a gram) 1350 calories so a good 200 calories for every dollar, so not bad. Actually, the fact that its so cheap makes me think it isn't as good as it I would think.
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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2010, 08:02:20 AM »

For other members interested in raw honeycomb, I would suggest going after the dark-coloured heather honeycomb. In the UK, at least, it`s considered the best tasting honeycomb of all. I`ve been told by some RPDers that there really is genuinely raw honey found within jars but every single attempt I had in the past with numerous brands of  jarred so-called "raw" honey turned out to be a big mistake on my part, heathwise, so I remain sceptical of most claims of rawness for liquid honey.  Of course, it may simply be that I don`t get such a massive immediate  blood-sugar hike and other symptoms  from raw honeycomb, because of the massive amounts of wax in it.
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« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2010, 09:12:50 AM »

the fact that its so cheap makes me think it isn't as good as it I would think.

I've tried a lot of store bought honey and different local honeys when i was in hawaii,  honey pacifica has the best stuff I've tried so far and makes me feel the best.  Looking back at the tone of my post it would seem like i work for these guys but i just happen to be a loyal follower of there great products Smiley
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« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2010, 10:30:19 AM »

I`ve been told by some RPDers that there really is genuinely raw honey found within jars but every single attempt I had in the past with numerous brands of  jarred so-called "raw" honey turned out to be a big mistake on my part, heathwise, so I remain sceptical of most claims of rawness for liquid honey.

Try desert honey.  The moisture content is so low, that within a day or two it becomes too solid.  It's not spoonable or pourable at all. 

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Of course, it may simply be that I don`t get such a massive immediate  blood-sugar hike and other symptoms  from raw honeycomb, because of the massive amounts of wax in it.

Are you eating the honey alone these times or with fruit, vegetables or meat?  As far as wax, I eat honey with fat.  It's more like eating fat with honey, as for the ratios.  The hikes, eaten alone, would likely happen to almost anyone. 
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« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2010, 11:19:53 AM »

 I don`t like the taste at all when mixing honey with other foods, especially meats, so prefer to just eat it alone.

Interesting info re desert honey. Thanks
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« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2010, 02:10:39 PM »

I don`t like the taste at all when mixing honey with other foods, especially meats, so prefer to just eat it alone.
So it's obvious where that spike of blood sugar comes from.
It's of paramount importance to mix the honey with fat - I mix it with mutton/ lamb suet and it's a very toothsome combination.
Honeycomb already contains fat (wax)
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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2010, 03:03:11 PM »

So it's obvious where that spike of blood sugar comes from.
It's of paramount importance to mix the honey with fat - I mix it with mutton/ lamb suet and it's a very toothsome combination.
Honeycomb already contains fat (wax)
  Seems after a check it is partially made of fat. Still I do better eating the honeycomb plus the wax than mixing it with suet and other kinds of raw fats.
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« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2010, 07:25:55 PM »

So did you get the raw cold-packed honey from the link above?
No. Here are the differences in appearance between Honey Pacifica, standard honeycomb and truly raw honeycomb below:

Honey Pacifica


This is how standard honeycomb I find in the stores


This is the closest thing I could find online to the darker honeycomb that Tyler gets in the
UK at the time I was looking: (http://homegrown-colorado.com)

I found this image today of unprocessed raw honey with plenty of natural material on top:

and this slightly darker-looking honeycomb:


Eating fat with honey actually does make some sense, because traditionally fatty grubcomb is eaten with honeycomb and some cultures also mix fats with fruits (such as the Yupik and Lakota mixing fat with berries), and there is the afore-implied moderating effect of certain animal fats on insulin spikes (“These data support the hypothesis that n-3 fatty acids protect from high-fat diet-induced hepatic insulin resistance,” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17251275).
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« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2010, 07:43:01 PM »



I found this image today of unprocessed raw honey with plenty of natural material on top: http://www.domoresuckless.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/p-640-480-57511621-fb59-491b-948f-9d0b883595f0.jpeg




This is the "Really Raw" honey that has been disputed on this site before. My 2 cents is I find it to be fairly viable, but its a little sweet.

Recently I purchased a brand called Honey Gardens:Apitherapy which is a local New England product. Its a wildflower honey. I know "raw" can be as unregulated and meaningless as "natural" unfortunately, but this specificially says this product "has never been heated or filtered, and thus retains the beneficial traces of pollen, propolis and beeswax...enzymes..."

from memory it seems pretty much like the Really Raw brand, but it still seems to create some mild symptoms (tiredness) so I gather it still isn't good for my suspected candida issues, if that is helpful to anyone thinking of adding honey. I was just adding it as a small amount/enzyme, and not as a significant carb source.

on another note, it says honey is liquid and then crystallizes, so I am not as doubtful that all jarred honeys must be heated.



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