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« Reply #60 on: March 11, 2010, 08:02:44 PM »
Quote from: KD on March 11, 2010, 07:43:01 PM
This is the "Really Raw" honey that has been disputed on this site before. My 2 cents is I find it to be fairly viable, but its a little sweet.

Recently I purchased a brand called Honey Gardens:Apitherapy which is a local New England product.
Yes, that's the brand I've bought several times from the local apiary south of where I live in Vermont. The Honey Pacifica looks very similar.

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Its a wildflower honey.
Yes, they have these specific varieties:

Northern wildflower - summer
Northern Goldenrod - fall
Orange Blossom Honey
Blueberry honey

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I know "raw" can be as unregulated and meaningless as "natural" unfortunately, but this specificially says this product "has never been heated or filtered, and thus retains the beneficial traces of pollen, propolis and beeswax...enzymes..."
Yes, but the Colorado raw honeycomb that is supposedly made by the bees right in the can is definitely different and tastier, though the Honey Gardens honey is very tasty too and cheaper.
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« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2010, 05:22:14 AM »
Not sure if they just added this on their website but honey pacifica is heated up to 100 degrees F, so not raw.

http://honeypacifica.com/regular.htm

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Honey Pacifica is proud to produce various raw honey varieties ourself, ensuring a gourmet level of quality and integrity. As always our honey is raw and unfiltered. We drive the bees to various locations throughout California directly to the floral sources. The flavors of each raw honey depend on what flowers are blooming with nectar at the time the bees are there. In order to maintain the highest level of taste and nutrition in our raw unfiltered honey, we never heat our honey to more than 100°; just enough to get it into the jar. Beware of USDA “Grade A labels”. It simply means the honey has been heated and filtered enough to be considered processed. Larger companies have been known to heat their honey up to 140° while filtering it thoroughly. While this qualifies them for “Grade A” labels, it also hurts the quality of their honey. Label or not, our raw unfiltered honey is the best.
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« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2010, 06:11:21 AM »
This is not new. They sell both heated and unheated honey. They call the unheated honey "cold packed"

http://honeypacifica.com/coldpacked.htm

Quote from: Paleo Donk on May 03, 2010, 05:22:14 AM
Not sure if they just added this on their website but honey pacifica is heated up to 100 degrees F, so not raw.

http://honeypacifica.com/regular.htm
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« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2010, 03:13:47 PM »
Ah, yes thanks for pointing out my mistake. I'm still curious as to why their honey seems so cheap.
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« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2010, 04:17:49 AM »
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« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2010, 11:23:47 AM »
Quote from: Paleo Donk on May 03, 2010, 05:22:14 AM
Not sure if they just added this on their website but honey pacifica is heated up to 100 degrees F, so not raw.


How is under 100 degrees not raw?  From my research there honey is as raw as it gets unless you have your own hive or know some one with a hive

Neglected to read the post above, my brother who has talked to these guys extensively assured me the cold packed honey is never heated.

The honeys cheap because these guys are legit and aren't interested in ripping people off.
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« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2010, 05:01:02 PM »
Anyone know if this honey is legitimately raw?
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Y-S-Organic-Bee-Farm/_/n-2pz?SourceCode=INTL095&cm_mmc_o=7BBTkw%20-pcByplCjCmPsa%20WzfbBEzk%20PyzEpCjCQm%20RyTzEbg%20Pww%20dzyFCjCYl%20ByTzEbg%20_ww%20uzyFl&gclid=CLvnl4jb4aECFQ0eDQodBXQBeQ
Its the brand I buy and its very thick like peanut butter.
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« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2010, 10:11:21 PM »
Heated to 100 degrees would presumably be heated more than honey that's not heated at all (which is called cold-packed or hand-packed).

My brother in law gave me a taste of some raw Vermont honey that tastes better than the Honey Gardens Apitherapy brand -- Champlain Valley Apiaries. It comes from bees that gather mainly from legumes. It's centrifuge-extracted (http://www.champlainvalleyhoney.com/slideshow.htm) instead of hand-packed, however, but I seem to handle it a little better than even the Honey Gardens, which I can handle better than heated honey. It's interesting that in the video it already looks opaque as it gets poured into the jars. I thought that only occurred after crystallization, but I guess not.
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« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2010, 05:36:20 AM »
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  I think of the many internal and external wounds I've seen heal rapidly with application and large consumption of unheated honeys. And how miraculously unheated honeys stimulate digestion. "Okay. honeys labeled 'Unheated' can't be heated over beehive temperature on a hot day - that's 92.8 Fahrenheit. On hot days. bees fan the honey with their wings to keep the honey temperature below 92.8 F. In the body. 80-90% of unheated honey turns into enzymes for digestion. assimilation and utilization. Whereas, honeys that are labeled 'Raw' or 'Uncooked' can be heated to 160 which they do to thin the honey for quicker filtering and bottling for more profits. 'Raw' or 'Uncooked' honeys mainly turn into radical blood sugar. 'Unheated' is the key word with honey. You can eat as much unheated honey as you want, as long as you have a taste for it.

Even the centrifuge process can raise the temperature of some of the honey.
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« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2010, 04:38:35 PM »
Even the centrifuge process can raise the temperature of some of the honey.
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Yes, I know. That's why I said "however." Sorry I wasn't more clear.
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> "no one would touch this type of diet unless they'd tried everything else and this diet alone worked" -T.D.
> Tinkering with dairy & gluten elimination worked for me. I found a theory that explained it (Eaton's Paleolithic nutrition), which pointed me toward more tinkering, with more success. -Me
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